How am I meant to level with a friend now?

[Forbin]

Did I say nothing had gotten better? For one thing, I think collision detection is much better now. Yey not walking around tiny ledges.

As for the population getting bigger, I am sure a few people have come back and will play regularly, but I don't think you can count people coming and checking out the patch as permanent quite yet.

I am advocating for things that didn't work in this patch to get fixed. That isn't the same thing as hating the game.

everything seems to be working as intended to me.. just pt'd for hours and my CON has 0 problems keeping the PT healed and had no MP issues.. I play as an ARC and have no problems with the changes to ARC.. so ummm yea don't even go there.

I gained over 70K SP in 3hrs doing various tasks around Eorzea that they have given us to do.. besides just grinding 1 task.. I did Leve's, and Behest, and PT EXP'd, and have a freaking blast.. as did the other 7 people with me. Sorry you suck at life and at video games.

[LuxLex]

I honestly have to question exactly what you were doing in both games. Saying 4 months to 90 and 6 months to 33 really doesn't tell us anything. Total hours played to reach these levels is what matters. It's really easy to skew the numbers by saying it took you 6 months, but neglecting to mention if you only played a few hours a week and took frequent breaks from the game. The same sort of number skewing would apply to the former claim of 4 months as well. You also fail to mention if you were leveling other classes/jobs or focusing on one and only one, possibly further skewing your claim.

Also as many have already pointed out if you have actually been playing with any sort of follow through, you should be far FAR higher than 33. I played fairly regularly from the games launch until early January before I quit (came back recently to see how the update changed things.) In that 3 months I hit rank 32 and got several other crafting and combat classes between 10-20.

I by no means put in any amount of hours that one could consider to be "hardcore" I played heavily on release and it slowly dwindled down to nothing. Overall I probably averaged 10 hours a week over 3 months. I also never took advantage of any exploits, and I think I joined an exp mob grind party a grand total of once.

Yeah, I leveled a lot of jobs in XIV - more than I did in XI. I played about the same amount of each on a weekly basis.

Leveling in XI (and this was before the patch before last which made it even faster) was about twice as fast, though I will grant that I did a lot of fishing in XIV, which is really slow, so that probably slowed my average down.

The exp needed per level is way less in XI than in XIV, and the amount you get per mob is comparable - higher when you count getting an extra 1-2K exp every 5-8 mobs you kill for pages.

[Dubont]

It's always been this way. You have the option of linking your account, but even if you don't... your auction history will still be tracked.

Anyways, there are currently ~330,443 active characters... which would includes mules too. I'm sure you're going to try to make a point how there are thousands of active accounts that have never used the auction house... but save your breath.

330,443 active accounts, now let's say that 1/3rd of those characters have mules. That's still around 220k active characters, which isn't far off of what was recently recorded. My point is that FFXI has lost players since the release of Abyssea and the numbers prove that. The majority of the FF population doesn't want everything handed to them. The numbers prove that. If FFXIV turns into another Abyssea scenario, it WILL sink. FFXI pre-abysssea: 500k? After abyssea: 220k. The same will happen to 14.

[LuxLex]

The numbers prove that. If FFXIV turns into another Abyssea scenario, it WILL sink. FFXI pre-abysssea: 500k? After abyssea: 220k. The same will happen to 14.

You're pulling numbers out of your butt. Sorry man, but my LS gets returning players every week. People are coming back for abyssea.

[SuzakuCMX]

330,443 active accounts, now let's say that 1/3rd of those characters have mules. That's still around 220k active characters, which isn't far off of what was recently recorded. My point is that FFXI has lost players since the release of Abyssea and the numbers prove that. The majority of the FF population doesn't want everything handed to them. The numbers prove that. If FFXIV turns into another Abyssea scenario, it WILL sink. FFXI pre-abysssea: 500k? After abyssea: 220k. The same will happen to 14.

Our numbers aren't from a source that agrees with their claim, therefore it's invalid.

[Dubont]

The exp needed per level is way less in XI than in XIV, and the amount you get per mob is comparable - higher when you count getting an extra 1-2K exp every 5-8 mobs you kill for pages.

Of course the exp needed, NOW, is lower. You should have seen Xi when the level cap was 50. Now, let's say...in XI, you need..what..40k to reach a level? Before the cap increase, that 40k was around 60k.

[Dubont]

You're pulling numbers out of your butt. Sorry man, but my LS gets returning players every week. People are coming back for abyssea.

how am I pulling numbers out of my butt? Did you not read Warp's post? "i sury but math iz 2harrd!"

[LuxLex]

Of course the exp needed, NOW, is lower. You should have seen Xi when the level cap was 50. Now, let's say...in XI, you need..what..40k to reach a level? Before the cap increase, that 40k was around 60k.

Once again, I don't care what XI was like a decade ago. I play the XI of today.

[SuzakuCMX]

Once again, I don't care what XI was like a decade ago. I play the XI of today.

Back then FFXI had more subs.

I think it's more relevant.

[Warp]

Our numbers aren't from a source that agrees with their claim, therefore it's invalid.

lol, I'm using a source that keeps track of all the characters in the game. What's yours?

Also, active characters =/= active accounts