How am I meant to level with a friend now?

[LuxLex]

I honestly have to question exactly what you were doing in both games. Saying 4 months to 90 and 6 months to 33 really doesn't tell us anything. Total hours played to reach these levels is what matters. It's really easy to skew the numbers by saying it took you 6 months, but neglecting to mention if you only played a few hours a week and took frequent breaks from the game. The same sort of number skewing would apply to the former claim of 4 months as well. You also fail to mention if you were leveling other classes/jobs or focusing on one and only one, possibly further skewing your claim.

Also as many have already pointed out if you have actually been playing with any sort of follow through, you should be far FAR higher than 33. I played fairly regularly from the games launch until early January before I quit (came back recently to see how the update changed things.) In that 3 months I hit rank 32 and got several other crafting and combat classes between 10-20.

I by no means put in any amount of hours that one could consider to be "hardcore" I played heavily on release and it slowly dwindled down to nothing. Overall I probably averaged 10 hours a week over 3 months. I also never took advantage of any exploits, and I think I joined an exp mob grind party a grand total of once.

Yeah, I leveled a lot of jobs in XIV - more than I did in XI. I played about the same amount of each on a weekly basis.

Leveling in XI (and this was before the patch before last which made it even faster) was about twice as fast, though I will grant that I did a lot of fishing in XIV, which is really slow, so that probably slowed my average down.

The exp needed per level is way less in XI than in XIV, and the amount you get per mob is comparable - higher when you count getting an extra 1-2K exp every 5-8 mobs you kill for pages.

[Dubont]

The exp needed per level is way less in XI than in XIV, and the amount you get per mob is comparable - higher when you count getting an extra 1-2K exp every 5-8 mobs you kill for pages.

Of course the exp needed, NOW, is lower. You should have seen Xi when the level cap was 50. Now, let's say...in XI, you need..what..40k to reach a level? Before the cap increase, that 40k was around 60k.

[LuxLex]

Of course the exp needed, NOW, is lower. You should have seen Xi when the level cap was 50. Now, let's say...in XI, you need..what..40k to reach a level? Before the cap increase, that 40k was around 60k.

Once again, I don't care what XI was like a decade ago. I play the XI of today.

[SuzakuCMX]

Once again, I don't care what XI was like a decade ago. I play the XI of today.

Back then FFXI had more subs.

I think it's more relevant.

[LuxLex]

Back then FFXI had more subs.

I think it's more relevant.

Back then there were very few mmos in the market. Sorry man, things change. And I am sorry, but if you can't understand that a decade old game will lose subs just because of fatigue, and dated graphics, not to mention people getting interested in new games, etc... well, you don't understand what rationality and logic is.

[SuzakuCMX]

Back then there were very few mmos in the market. Sorry man, things change. And I am sorry, but if you can't understand that a decade old game will lose subs just because of fatigue, and dated graphics, not to mention people getting interested in new games, etc... well, you don't understand what rationality and logic is.

I thought the argument was that Abyssea brought a bunch of players back .=. There were 500k active subscription accounts in 2008, compared to 330k active characters now-ish...

[LuxLex]

I thought the argument was that Abyssea brought a bunch of players back .=. There were 500k active subscription accounts in 2008, compared to 330k active characters now-ish...

I don't care whether or not abyssea brought back players. In my experience it has (brought me back and most of my LS back) but maybe it didn't. Who cares? It is fun. That is what I care about.

[Dubont]

Once again, I don't care what XI was like a decade ago. I play the XI of today.

then idc about FFXIV now, I care about the FFXIV on release day =)

[LuxLex]

then idc about FFXIV now, I care about the FFXIV on release day =)

you mean 9 months ago? Well, it sucked even more than what we have now.

[Dubont]

you mean 9 months ago? Well, it sucked even more than what we have now.

but it had more players and every server was literally full. Almost everyone was put into a queue for logging in. Figaro, on release day, had around 3k players at my time of login. This isn't counting how many were still in queue, or waiting on the Standard edition. Also, to use your argument against you, FFXi sucks more now than it did 3 years ago. =)