Move the 100 myth message to the end of battle or get rid of it

[Themis]

I personally don't really care for 100 myth. You are not doing these fights for Myth, you want the loot at the end.

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This is such a simple solution and it's only a "chance" you can't exploit it and most of all, everyone will want the bonus that the person that hasn't cleared gives you.

This is really the reason. If you want Myth, you'll probably go out and do a few hunts. Even Soldiery wouldn't be a good enough offer, because that can be done through the same means. The incentive needs to be something that is valuable for players to accept it. Otherwise, it's just a means of discrimination.

[Sho86]

This is why communication is the key!

Yes, communication is key, in a community that accepts it. In this game, you could be the best player out there (an extreme example) yet have that 100 myth tagged when you come in; they'll ask'n'boot without a care. Words have no weight with general community in this game, only whats shown, and whats shown is 100 myth noob status with nothing else. Unless they put in extreme technicalities like 'Phases reached 3/4' etc, it will always be either 'noob' or 'pro'.

As for my 'pro' example earlier, clearly they did not live up to their claims, hence my point. They expect the best, not always because they are great players themselves, but in truth looking to be carried in their own way. I've long stopped running with groups outside my FC when it comes to "hard" content, since it really is nothing but toxic hate flying every which way. In my FC runs we have plenty of people new to fights and after a couple wipes they end up doing better than most of the previous PF/Shout groups.

In short what I'm trying to say is be it your a true newbie to the fight or semi-experienced with it, it comes down to the player. Being branded by the game and shoved into a lot your not actually with is why things heat up. Oh, not to mention if your a person that plays alts, your down right screwed too.

[Gextiv]

That still does not work tho, which is what you're not getting. as more likely then not half the people in your partied were carried for the win.

I agree, there is variation as to how players complete content. But you are assured that everyone saw the boss go down, at least once, when you do not get the myth message.

I take comfort in that.

[Sammich]

In this game, you could be the best player out there (an extreme example) yet have that 100 myth tagged when you come in; they'll ask'n'boot without a care.

Seriously? I know on my server that this might happen with PF "farm" parties, but most raid parties will at least try someone who knows all the mechanics but just hasn't cinched a clear yet. Just need to be honest about how far you've been so that they can make an informed decision and obviously be prepared to leave if you seem to be causing wipes.

I guess, since that's the community attitude that I've experience, I really don't see a problem with the 100 Myth message. It's really sad to hear that people are treating each other that way

[AdamFyi]

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Even new players without any experience can be toxic to the community. It's based to perspective. In most cases, if a person does not like you because of the notification popping up, it's because you did something that you shouldn't have in the first place. For example, joining a farming party without any prior notice. These parties don't expect perfection, rather, they just want to get their loot. You can say that the current loot system can be the cause of it, but that is best left for another discussion.

However, I'd rather they keep this notification. New players tend to stay quiet when they're new to a dungeon - either they are shy or don't have a keyboard. I'm willing enough to help anyone I meet through the DF, because they deserve the kindness without the worry of messing up. I don't expect anything in return. I'm just glad to help in any way I can.

[Avisaia]

I like it when it tells me. That way I can explain things as we go or from the beginning. I'd rather that than find out on wipe number 3.

[PandaOnAcid]

So you'd rather the player be harassed for their poor performance for joining a group they weren't qualified to join?

[Firepower]

I agree the major issue here is there is generally a lack of middle ground for players who are competent enough (more competent than a lot of farm players) but haven't had the clear not by their fault but others not pulling their weight.

For instance I neglected to clear Ramuh when the majority was still doing it, I have made it past adds several times now and pushed him down to 10% when he enraged (other DPS's died) and can consistently clear all the mechanics of the fight, but because of that stupid myth message I have little hope of ever getting a clear now since all parties that would be decent enough to clear the fight won't take me and that leaves me with learning parties. Clear parties are very rare as they require people who are no longer learning but do not have the clear and since farm people don't want to waste time they won't join so you get a clear party with a bunch of learners pretending to know what to do. So my options are either bash my head against the wall with duty finder until I luck out or sit in party finder for 6 hours trying to form a "win" party.

Just because you cleared the fight doesn't mean you are any good at it. I remember when I cleared mog EX when it was released and started joining FARM (clear only) parties to try and get my necklace, the amount of trash players I ended up with who were killing moogles or more often than not straying into the middle of the arena getting hit by delta it took me longer to get my 2nd and 3rd victories over mog ex than it did the first. Not to mention the whole host of FC's that sell clears, how many people bought wins then rolled up into a farm party afterwards because they have the "clear".

[Sho86]

Even new players without any experience can be toxic to the community.

Yes, those be the "noobs" that just like to cause destruction and trolls, not the point I'm making.

In most cases, if a person does not like you because of the notification popping up, it's because you did something that you shouldn't have in the first place. For example, joining a farming party without any prior notice.

Again, my point proves in your response. Its either 'noob' or 'pro'. No regard for those who got the boss through all phases, or done it before on a main character. People in farming parties want what? Loot, and to get that, you need to clear. People who want clears need that too, imagine that. I'm not arguing the trolls and completely clueless do not belong there. I'm talking about those who have done the fight and know the mechanics, yet have had bad luck with parties who are clueless.

These parties don't expect perfection

Right.... In the off chance a 100 myth player is allowed to stay, its always with the warning "don't mess up" and 1 death can lead to a frothy rage by others who die as well, yet theirs are ignored at that point cause they have that golden clear already. Even in the event of not a single person has that tag, they go ballistic on each other when a wipe happens.

I'm willing enough to help anyone I meet through the DF

So am I, and a handful of other people on this game. Largely though people rather rage or boot, sometimes even just leave themselves without even considering the situation. That is why new players learn to be quiet, because each run (even outside farming parties) is like walking on eggshells not knowing when someone is gonna blow up for something trivial. I see a lot more "I'm the new guy here" in Sastasha than say Stone Vigil Hard when the message pops.

In any case I've had my fill of the forums, I've made my point and I can't word any other way by now. Yet the only response is always a 'black and white' viewpoint with some rose tint glasses on the side. IE: 'You don't belong in this content cause 100myth tag so you must be crap , but oh, I'll help you in this other content - cause I like to be helpful and open-minded like that.' /facepalm

[Dashuto]

I agree the major issue here is there is generally a lack of middle ground for players who are competent enough (more competent than a lot of farm players) but haven't had the clear not by their fault but others not pulling their weight.

This entire post is the most accurate and factual one in this thread.

Firepower, I know your feel bro. I've had to convince teams to let me in despite message under the promise I knew what to do. I remember being one of only three left alive in my Turn 5 clear and then getting vited to 2nd coil after. But even finding a team like that took weeks and a lot of /tell convincing to leaders.