Move the 100 myth message to the end of battle or get rid of it

[Firepower]

I agree the major issue here is there is generally a lack of middle ground for players who are competent enough (more competent than a lot of farm players) but haven't had the clear not by their fault but others not pulling their weight.

For instance I neglected to clear Ramuh when the majority was still doing it, I have made it past adds several times now and pushed him down to 10% when he enraged (other DPS's died) and can consistently clear all the mechanics of the fight, but because of that stupid myth message I have little hope of ever getting a clear now since all parties that would be decent enough to clear the fight won't take me and that leaves me with learning parties. Clear parties are very rare as they require people who are no longer learning but do not have the clear and since farm people don't want to waste time they won't join so you get a clear party with a bunch of learners pretending to know what to do. So my options are either bash my head against the wall with duty finder until I luck out or sit in party finder for 6 hours trying to form a "win" party.

Just because you cleared the fight doesn't mean you are any good at it. I remember when I cleared mog EX when it was released and started joining FARM (clear only) parties to try and get my necklace, the amount of trash players I ended up with who were killing moogles or more often than not straying into the middle of the arena getting hit by delta it took me longer to get my 2nd and 3rd victories over mog ex than it did the first. Not to mention the whole host of FC's that sell clears, how many people bought wins then rolled up into a farm party afterwards because they have the "clear".

[Dashuto]

I agree the major issue here is there is generally a lack of middle ground for players who are competent enough (more competent than a lot of farm players) but haven't had the clear not by their fault but others not pulling their weight.

This entire post is the most accurate and factual one in this thread.

Firepower, I know your feel bro. I've had to convince teams to let me in despite message under the promise I knew what to do. I remember being one of only three left alive in my Turn 5 clear and then getting vited to 2nd coil after. But even finding a team like that took weeks and a lot of /tell convincing to leaders.

[Lithera]

Before the myth message they would just queue something up that required the instance to unlock or demand to see your achievement history on the Lodestone. It hasn't changed all that much. Just now they don't know you haven't cleared until you're queued in. The best thing you can do is get some friends. Join some LSes or a Free Company. Even if you don't do things with some people all the time, if you generate a good rep with them they'll always let you into their group.

[Ghasto]

NO.
"farming party" is for people who have cleared the fight multiple times, we're not here to potentially carry anyone. Make your own "clear party" instead of joining farm runs.

[Moqi]

NO.
"farming party" is for people who have cleared the fight multiple times, we're not here to potentially carry anyone. Make your own "clear party" instead of joining farm runs.

You have no idea how many times people have cleared content. Someone who got to 1% a hunderd times has more experience than someone who cleared it once because he died halfway through but guess who'd be able to join your PF.

I never put no 100 myth on my PF because it's useless. Unless you personally know that person, the absence of the 100 myth message tells you nothing about their skills.

[KaliAurion]

Honestly just whisper the party leaders.
When I got sick of trying to clear Levi EX via the DF i just whispered someone in the PF who had a farm group and told them the situation. I knew the fight by heart I just couldn't get a DF group that could clear it.
Gave me a chance and I aced it.

[PandaOnAcid]

I don't see any good reason to remove it. I don't exactly get what's wrong with preventing people from lying about their experience to get into parties that have established requirements that they don't meet.

And party leaders have every right to choose the requirements for their parties as they wish.

[Bluevann]

All this message does is promote harassment and exclusion of new players.

Is this the devs' intention? Designing a team jump rope game where if one player F's up, everyone dies? Creating a toxic community?

You can't blame the devs for how the community behaves. Following human logic, a 100 myths bonus is supposed to incentive people into letting new members in the group. Because 100 myths is a BONUS.

That the elitists decided they don't need those myths and they're not worth the "hassle" of having one new member in their group, that's no one's fault but their own.

[Omegakiyohime]

Nope. People will simply revert to achievement checking or in the case of earlier primals, lockout checking with the newest primal. I mean it's not like "Farm parties" and checks just popped up for no reason. People just got tired of people sneaking in for clears or for "experience" and causing multiple wipes. If you want to join a farm party because you are sure that you can clear/have been to "1%" etc, talk to the party leader, most players will understand and atleast give you a shot, because you were honest. If your intent is sneaking in and lying, then really why should I or anyone else be obliged to help you out?

[Miitan]

Also no one has even mentioned that people who have bought a win are apparently more valuable than people with experience but with no win.