Why does this patch feel rushed like when the game was released?

[Biggs]

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Another reason on why I don't come in these forums often these days: You guys speculate too much about useless things =D

Well you picked a doozy to read too, this guy speculates enough for 100 other normal sized internet trolls.

[Azurymber]

So please go play a free mmo and leave the rest of us that are happy with this one to our own devices. This cant possibly be the first time someone has suggested this to you, yet much like everything else you post about, you can't seem to take the hint.

I post a lot of constructive comments and write a lot of guides to help make the game more enjoyable for people (See Sig). I enjoy the game for the most part (other than there being no real viable sp system). But I'm not going to blind myself to the faults of this game. there -ARE- serious issues that would never be tolerated in other games. I don't even think they are really tolerated here given the low populations currently playing. Blind fanboys keep posting "this patch is great" threads to I post the alternative pointing out the serious issues.

It doesn't matter if YOU are happy, because if this game can't charge money at some point for it, it will dissappear. I don't want it to disappear, so It's in my interest as well as yours that the devs notice the mistakes (some of which they have been making for the past year over and over again without fixes, like the gathering leve nodes) and fix them. If they just see positivity, they will assume things are working right and just ruin the game more.

Don't try to make me sound like a troll or hater. I want this game to succeed. The fact that at release i was really one of two or three people that bothered to compile ways for people to SP in a really annoyingly random system, and then tried to explore every corner of the world to give bored people something to do between patches should prove that alone.

I'm not pissed i haven't mastered anything, I know how hate works in this system and im fine with it. And they have been saying the next patch is the "start" almost every patch. The only diff is this one is the start of a "new system". I am personally fine with this patch. But I know anyone starting this game will think its a joke, and people who specialize in gathering will be -really- annoyed. And anyone trying to level up a new job will have a heck of a hard time. and thats MY problem.

I would have been happy if they left the sp and battle system the way it was on day one. at least then you could fight multiple mobs instead of coblyn grinding, leve failing, and prob now leve grinding?

[Biggs]

I post a lot of constructive comments and write a lot of guides to help make the game more enjoyable for people (See Sig). I enjoy the game for the most part (other than there being no real viable sp system). But I'm not going to blind myself to the faults of this game. there -ARE- serious issues that would never be tolerated in other games. I don't even think they are really tolerated here given the low populations currently playing. Blind fanboys keep posting "this patch is great" threads to I post the alternative pointing out the serious issues.

It doesn't matter if YOU are happy, because if this game can't charge money at some point for it, it will dissappear. I don't want it to disappear, so It's in my interest as well as yours that the devs notice the mistakes (some of which they have been making for the past year over and over again without fixes, like the gathering leve nodes) and fix them. If they just see positivity, they will assume things are working right and just ruin the game more.

Don't try to make me sound like a troll or hater. I want this game to succeed. The fact that at release i was really one of two or three people that bothered to compile ways for people to SP in a really annoyingly random system, and then tried to explore every corner of the world to give bored people something to do between patches should prove that alone.

I'm not pissed i haven't mastered anything, I know how hate works in this system and im fine with it. And they have been saying the next patch is the "start" almost every patch. The only diff is this one is the start of a "new system". I am personally fine with this patch. But I know anyone starting this game will think its a joke, and people who specialize in gathering will be -really- annoyed. And anyone trying to level up a new job will have a heck of a hard time. and thats MY problem.

I would have been happy if they left the sp and battle system the way it was on day one. at least then you could fight multiple mobs instead of coblyn grinding, leve failing, and prob now leve grinding?

Main flaw with this logic: It actually DOES matter if I am happy because happy players equal players willing to pay to play. And if they keep up as they have with this patch I would gladly pay a monthly fee. The point is, if you constantly take the stance that your represent the portion of the players that aren't happy, then logically there will be posts made by people that are happy with the game such as myself. Is it perfect yet? Nope, but where you see unpleasant changes, I see improvement. The difference is I stay because i am happy and you seem to stay so that you feel entitled to complain.

[Azurymber]

Main flaw with this logic: It actually DOES matter if I am happy because happy players equal players willing to pay to play. And if they keep up as they have with this patch I would gladly pay a monthly fee. The point is, if you constantly take the stance that your represent the portion of the players that aren't happy, then logically there will be posts made by people that are happy with the game such as myself. Is it perfect yet? Nope, but where you see unpleasant changes, I see improvement. The difference is I stay because i am happy and you seem to stay so that you feel entitled to complain.

just because you and a few other fanboys are happy doesn't mean the game is a success. If it was then they would already be charging for it. They are not making this game for you, they are making this game to make a profit. And with the huge number of mistakes they are currently making a profit will not be possible.

Its pretty clear I'm not the only person that sees flaws with this patch. And if this board is full of people showing they see problems with the patch, it's a pretty good indication that this game would not be very successful if they started charging. If you don't like the things i say then DON'T READ THEM.

You're the one personally attacking me and trolling.

[Biggs]

just because you and a few other fanboys are happy doesn't mean the game is a success. If it was then they would already be charging for it. They are not making this game for you, they are making this game to make a profit. And with the huge number of mistakes they are currently making a profit will not be possible.

Its pretty clear I'm not the only person that sees flaws with this patch. And if this board is full of people showing they see problems with the patch, it's a pretty good indication that this game would not be very successful if they started charging. If you don't like the things i say then DON'T READ THEM.

You're the one personally attacking me and trolling.

So we have established that I am a fanboy for liking the game, and your an ugly troll for hating on it. We should get ourselves a show on fox news and make us a small fortune talking politics

[YUGON]

Gathering leves are messed up because they send you to spots packed full of 40+ agro mobs

No true answer about that : /

Hate is messed up and people are having problems taking down the major NMs

Me and my LS were tanking Lv. 75 mobs with no problem on hate. Maybe your GLA do not rly know how to take Hate. (Hint: Is not the same that in FFXI)

there are still issues with the game freezing or disconnecting and you get booted from a raid if you do.

I never got kicked yet : /

mp seems unbalanced (this is understandable since they said they would balance out the game)

Unbalanced?? I think you need more MP managing experience, but Is not Unbalanced. Maybe Curagas but not at all... If Tank has the hate, you do not rly need Curaga, nor If you are Soloing...

[Renshi]

Nah, she just wants to know. Too much tho =D
And there's no stop to knowledge, but I shall prefer to play the game than worrying about the company.

[Valarian]

What we need to do is point out flaws as we see them and be nice about it. Neither the game nor the patch is perfect, but we have the forums as a venue to express our complaints. It seems to me that the people at Square Enix do at least listen to our feedback.

It is a lot harder to care about that feedback if it is laced with insults. Some people, for instance, suggest that the dev team is somehow inept. I don't think this is helpful.

Also, when people complain that they can't do X, the statement that they must then be unskilled or unintelligent is also not helpful. Instead, how about we help educate these people if we have solutions to their problems? Surely we all want to play with good players and the forums don't seem to be a bad place to help make a few.

Basically, we should be here expressing our complaints and our solutions, but venting our frustrations in private.

[LuxLex]

Also, when people complain that they can't do X, the statement that they must then be unskilled or unintelligent is also not helpful. Instead, how about we help educate these people if we have solutions to their problems? Surely we all want to play with good players and the forums don't seem to be a bad place to help make a few.

Basically, we should be here expressing our complaints and our solutions, but venting our frustrations in private.

Yeah, the name calling etc is really childish and unacceptable. It seems like people take criticisms about the game way too personally, and lash out in response.

You don't see me in threads talking about how people like the patch saying how horrible it is. Yet people can't just leave threads talking about concerns alone. They are acting as though our concerns are personal attacks, when all they are is concerns. If people don't want to read them, they really ought not to click on the threads.

[Dargoth_Draconia]

I'm assuming SP is messed up since you were supposed to solo with leves and thats not really possible at the moment.

Gathering leves are messed up because they send you to spots packed full of 40+ agro mobs

Hate is messed up and people are having problems taking down the major NMs

there are still issues with the game freezing or disconnecting and you get booted from a raid if you do.

mp seems unbalanced (this is understandable since they said they would balance out the game)

While I fully understand the difficulties of implementing a new system there is no real excuse for sticking a bunch of high agro mobs right where a gathering leve is supposed to be done. All that shows is that they didn't consider that when creating the patch which essentially means it is rushed. I realize people will say "give them time, 1.19 is the fix-it-all patch" but honestly, its been almost a year. The quality of patches is continuously disappointing. So please in the future, just postpone release for a month and fix things. the little things DO matter and do effect how people perceive the game.

Simple, because it doesn't.