Why does this patch feel rushed like when the game was released?

[Neptune]

And what's sad is they worked on this patch for over 3 months.

[Forbin]

And what's sad is they worked on this patch for over 3 months.

dude you said you quit and were playing another game.. why bother poasting clown shoes? GIVE IT UP ALREADY you spend your whole day posting on a forum for a game you dislike.. we get it you think 1.18 sucks.. but guess what? THIS IS THE FUTURE DIRECTION.. either A. deal with it and learn to play with it.. B. QUIT AND MOVE ON.. but please stop crying like a girl all the time.

[Neptune]

dude you said you quit and were playing another game.. why bother poasting clown shoes? GIVE IT UP ALREADY you spend your whole day posting on a forum for a game you dislike.. we get it you think 1.18 sucks.. but guess what? THIS IS THE FUTURE DIRECTION.. either A. deal with it and learn to play with it.. B. QUIT AND MOVE ON.. but please stop crying like a girl all the time.

I didn't quit; get stuffed. It is sad that they released such an incompetent patch after 3 months. It would be pathetic but this is a team with real talent. That's why it's sad.

[Renshi]

I'm assuming SP is messed up since you were supposed to solo with leves and thats not really possible at the moment.

Gathering leves are messed up because they send you to spots packed full of 40+ agro mobs

Hate is messed up and people are having problems taking down the major NMs

there are still issues with the game freezing or disconnecting and you get booted from a raid if you do.

mp seems unbalanced (this is understandable since they said they would balance out the game)

While I fully understand the difficulties of implementing a new system there is no real excuse for sticking a bunch of high agro mobs right where a gathering leve is supposed to be done. All that shows is that they didn't consider that when creating the patch which essentially means it is rushed. I realize people will say "give them time, 1.19 is the fix-it-all patch" but honestly, its been almost a year. The quality of patches is continuously disappointing. So please in the future, just postpone release for a month and fix things. the little things DO matter and do effect how people perceive the game.

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Another reason on why I don't come in these forums often these days: You guys speculate too much about useless things =D

[Biggs]

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Another reason on why I don't come in these forums often these days: You guys speculate too much about useless things =D

Well you picked a doozy to read too, this guy speculates enough for 100 other normal sized internet trolls.

[Spectre]

I think there is one huge, all encompassing, glaring problem with patch 1.18, and that is....

wait for it....


That an alarming number of people don't seem to understand/grasp what it is.


People seem to be under the impression it was the end all fix all for the big problems with the game. That after this patch, the sky would be rose colored and they would be sucking ambrosia during the time they spent playing.


People seem to be in the mindset that patch 1.18 was supposed to the the goal of a long wait.


It wasn't.

It was never ment to be.

They never said it would be.

Hell they didn't even imply it would be.


Patch 1.18 is first and formost the BEGINING of the BEGINING.

Every patch previous to this one was pretty much a bunch of bandaids to keep the game together. Sure there were some nice gems in there. Tweaks to make things easier, changes to add basic needed functionality, even a few new monster models but not a whole lot of really substantial additions.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...st-Patch-Notes

Read those changes up.

Patch 1.18 is THE FIRST of the actual changes to the core of the game. Changes that they started planning for after the player polls were finished.

Q: Why is patch 1.18 not polished?

A: Because it ISN'T polish. It's foundation. They said that. How many of you have looked at the foundation of your houses? Is "polish" the first word that comes to mind?

Q: Why does patch 1.18 feel rushed?

A: If you are feeling this way, then you were expecting everything to be working perfectly. You were probably expecting all the changes they have been talking about to be in this one patch. Could they have done it all in one patch? Sure, maybe. That patch would have been in the end of September or so, but hey, no one would have minded the wait right? If they did rush, it's because we told them to.

It feels "rushed" because it's not "everything". Again, BEGINING

Q: Why is "X,Y,Z" class harder, weaker, different then it was?

A: Classes are not the final state of your character. Jobs are, and they are not in yet. Sure Jobs are built for parties, and Classes better for soloing, but until the job system is fully in place expect a large number of tweaks to classes in the mean time.

Q: Why is system "A,B,C" not working as smoothly as it can?

A: Auto Attack, Dungeons, Companies, New Levequest Rewards, Local Levequest skillpoints, Actionbar, Enmity, Weapon Delay, Quest Hubs, etc? Well that's because each of those things is either 1) brand new, or 2) gutted and re-designed. If you read the producers letters, you would notice that every time they talk about something being added or "introduced", they follow that up with saying that it will be enhanced, fleshed out, or adjusted in future patches. It was never promised to be all here right now.

Q: Why don't they just spend more money, add more people, etc. to do things faster?

A: Honestly I don't understand this question, and it makes it hard to answer. The only thing I can think of when I keep hearing this question is that the people asking it have never worked in a production environment. There is a point of saturation that you can hit when it come to creation. Sure one person isn't as fast as two when it come to making your meal at a fast food resturant, but if you add 50 people in there, you are not going to get super snappy service either.

Production/Development/Creation of complicated products require skill, understanding, and communication. Adding more people in there does not mean you are adding more skill. It does not mean those people are going to understand what is going on, and it definatly doesn't make communication between the whole team work better. Sure there are other things that go into it, but team communication is key. If you let that get congested by adding more bodies, you are shooting yourself in the foot.

If someone has some finacial briefs where it shows the FFXIV team is getting a throttled budget, please do share. Until then, saying that they don't have the backing to get the job done is 100% speculation that has no foundation.

The talent saturization point is something only the FFXIV team leads know when they have hit. Going over that not only is a waste of money, but more importantly time. Going over that slows things down, it doesn't speed things up.

Q: Why is/does/doesn't "Insert your other concerns here"?

A: It all comes back to this :

Patch 1.18 is the starting point, it was never the goal.

Did SE screw up with the game release? Yes

Did they admit it? Yes

Did they commit to making it enjoyable? Yes

Did they say it would be free until they felt it was at, or on it's way to being enjoyable? Yes

Have they started charging for it? NO

You may say they still took your money for the game, so they still owe you for it, but if they didn't release the game until it was at the point they are trying to get it to, then you would have paid that same amount then.

You can call it the post release beta if you want, but the fact remains that they are not finished yet. They are just getting started.

[Verecund]

/delusion off.

Don't rant about speculating if all you are going to do after that is, wait for it...... speculate.

[Azurymber]

1. im not really speculating in any of my posts and i say where i am.

2. apparently now one of the old quests doesn't work anymore because they built a camp ontop of it with rank 60 mobs.
That's just another example like the gathering examples where they failed to position mobs in a way which coincides with things that are already in the game.

Regardless of everything else, 2 is not excusable. Even free MMOs barely make that mistake. And its not like the -first- time they have made it. They put rank 30ish quest mobs in a rank 30 botany leve spot before and never fixed it. Now they have done it to rank 40 leves too and to quests.

I don't get why you think its excusable for a company to make the same mistake OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER again, knowing about it but not caring or having the time to fix it.

FFXIV patches are -sloppy-. They have always been and there hasn't been any significant improvement. If they were not, these boards would not be covered in complaints.

[Biggs]

1. im not really speculating in any of my posts and i say where i am.

2. apparently now one of the old quests doesn't work anymore because they built a camp ontop of it with rank 60 mobs.
That's just another example like the gathering examples where they failed to position mobs in a way which coincides with things that are already in the game.

Regardless of everything else, 2 is not excusable. Even free MMOs barely make that mistake. And its not like the -first- time they have made it. They put rank 30ish quest mobs in a rank 30 botany leve spot before and never fixed it. Now they have done it to rank 40 leves too and to quests.

I don't get why you think its excusable for a company to make the same mistake OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER again, knowing about it but not caring or having the time to fix it.

FFXIV patches are -sloppy-. They have always been and there hasn't been any significant improvement. If they were not, these boards would not be covered in complaints.

So please go play a free mmo and leave the rest of us that are happy with this one to our own devices. This cant possibly be the first time someone has suggested this to you, yet much like everything else you post about, you can't seem to take the hint.

[Azurymber]

So please go play a free mmo and leave the rest of us that are happy with this one to our own devices. This cant possibly be the first time someone has suggested this to you, yet much like everything else you post about, you can't seem to take the hint.

I post a lot of constructive comments and write a lot of guides to help make the game more enjoyable for people (See Sig). I enjoy the game for the most part (other than there being no real viable sp system). But I'm not going to blind myself to the faults of this game. there -ARE- serious issues that would never be tolerated in other games. I don't even think they are really tolerated here given the low populations currently playing. Blind fanboys keep posting "this patch is great" threads to I post the alternative pointing out the serious issues.

It doesn't matter if YOU are happy, because if this game can't charge money at some point for it, it will dissappear. I don't want it to disappear, so It's in my interest as well as yours that the devs notice the mistakes (some of which they have been making for the past year over and over again without fixes, like the gathering leve nodes) and fix them. If they just see positivity, they will assume things are working right and just ruin the game more.

Don't try to make me sound like a troll or hater. I want this game to succeed. The fact that at release i was really one of two or three people that bothered to compile ways for people to SP in a really annoyingly random system, and then tried to explore every corner of the world to give bored people something to do between patches should prove that alone.

I'm not pissed i haven't mastered anything, I know how hate works in this system and im fine with it. And they have been saying the next patch is the "start" almost every patch. The only diff is this one is the start of a "new system". I am personally fine with this patch. But I know anyone starting this game will think its a joke, and people who specialize in gathering will be -really- annoyed. And anyone trying to level up a new job will have a heck of a hard time. and thats MY problem.

I would have been happy if they left the sp and battle system the way it was on day one. at least then you could fight multiple mobs instead of coblyn grinding, leve failing, and prob now leve grinding?