SP nerfed. We were lied to.

[Black_Rose]

Just cause you suck at the game dont bring others down

this has nothing to do with "bringing others down"
it's obvious that leves atleast gave a meaning to SPing, while grinding is allways the same.

i was spending 2 hours today killing tribes with friends at an outpost, and i feel like not wanting to log in anymore (for the first time since the alpha)

tell me, would it have been so terrible to leave the Leve system as it was untill enough content is there to replace it, and just enhance SP gain from grinding to make it more appealing for those wishing to do more then just wait 36 hrs to gain SP again?

this whole change on the leve system was rushed, and they should have waited for this change untill we had enough other things to enjoy.

but now all we do is grind only, which is ways more terrible then doing leves.

[KaiKatzchen]

Ah, everyone who has posted in this thread with concerns - never fear! Elkwood has figured out that "we suck" and that is why we feel cheated and lied to.

I didn't see a 'we' in there, he said you.



And to be honest I've trying the alternative ways of getting SP and I haven't done too bad. One quest I did gave me 19k for completion. As I've said, I don't 100% agree with all changes SE makes, but I'm also not gonna complain about the first of three patches that will complete the balancing.

It's not done people. -_-

[Serio]

500 replies to an obviously change in SP gain, what's this discussion about?
SP didn't get nerfed, instead they enhanched the SP from some enemies like the tribe while grinding, and totally killed leves off.
still, the current amount of SP u can grind in 2 hours, doesn't equal the amount of SP you could get from leve linking.

i don't like it, but what the fuck did we expect?
this is SE after all we're talking about.

i'll enjoy my next days in a single camp, grinding for hours to get my levels now, sure is more exciting than doing leves with my ls mates, yay.

/sarcasm

I agree. I think that the whole idea was to keep the amount of time they expected a player to take to reach rank 50. Yoshi said it was like a couple months or something, if i'm not mistaken. Well, they took off fatigue, but basically made "raptor parties" available to more than just rank 45 players. This is because the beastmen that they put all over have the same base sp as raptors.

What they seemed to do to leves is keep the same base sp, but without Aspect (sort of). This is because Aspect used to be +50% bonus on top of leve link bonus (max @ +150%, pre-1.18). But now aspect seems to add +50% to the Rewarded SP at the end.

The bonus at the end, however, seems totally disproportionate in comparison to difference in leve difficulty and difference in mob-player rank difference. Which basically means that lower rank leves suck in comparison to higher rank. Basically a reward for simply Being high rank, much like there's a sp bonus for being low rank. So the swelling point then becomes the mid level range.

[Charismatic]

encourages the player to do EVERYTHING.

LOL!
No it doesn't. It encourages the player to do group grinding... quests and story quests are a one time thing. You get em done on one class and BOOM no more of that.
So when you want to rank up a second class all you have left is group grinding because it blows behest and leves out of the water like leves used to do to group grinding.

All that's been done is they turned the game on its head. Instead of one, you do the other... only this time it's the more boring one.

[LuxLex]

Yeah, I'm sorry but 1 time only quests do not equal a comprehensive system of gaining SP. I mean seriously, it would have done no harm to ensure that leves gave the same amount (to a solo player who wasn't failing them on purpose) after the patch as before it.

I want to put it out there - I have never purposely failed a leve. I am betting that the people telling me how much I suck used that exploit as their primary leveling method prior to this patch.

I don't see what harm it would have done, especially since Yoshi SPECIFICALLY SAID leves were for soloers - to make sure that soloing a leve as it was intended to be done (not failing it) would give the same SP after the patch as before.

[Kensei]

I didn't see a 'we' in there, he said you.



And to be honest I've trying the alternative ways of getting SP and I haven't done too bad. One quest I did gave me 19k for completion. As I've said, I don't 100% agree with all changes SE makes, but I'm also not gonna complain about the first of three patches that will complete the balancing.

It's not done people. -_-

That's the thing though. The best we can do now is settle and make due with whatever their rational is. That's a terrible way to bring back the game to competitive standards.

Many of the people defending this patch don't realize that a new player will have a terrible time in the game. If you think SE is gonna keep this free to play forever you have another thing coming. If after the PS3 release the game fails to retain population it will be most likely done.

[LuxLex]

I didn't see a 'we' in there, he said you.

Ah, yet my experience has been the same as several others, so he was implying that we all suck. But thanks for being childish and continuing the litany of personal insults which is all that people who are blindly defending this patch have to offer. I mean, it really enhances the tone of conversation.

[alexi14]

52 pages! This proves how big SE failed on their SP system changes. I wish just once they could give us good without stacking a bunch of bad on top of it.

[KaiKatzchen]

That's the thing though. The best we can do now is settle and make due with whatever their rational is. That's a terrible way to bring back the game to competitive standards.

Many of the people defending this patch don't realize that a new player will have a terrible time in the game. If you think SE is gonna keep this free to play forever you have another thing coming. If after the PS3 release the game fails to retain population it will be most likely done.

I am neither defending or opposing this patch due to the pure fact that he did warn everyone that it would be bad between 1.18 and 1.19, and everyone is acting like it's the end of the world. We were warned, I for one will give them the chance to complete this next two patches which will finish the balancing and bring out the jobs.

At that time I will look at the overall balancing and final outcome and make my decision... everyone's wanting this to be the bloody building, but at the moment we have only laid the foundation for the walls to go up.

[KaiKatzchen]

52 pages! This proves how big SE failed on their SP system changes. I wish just once they could give us good without stacking a bunch of bad on top of it.

Did you read the 52 pages? A good half if it is people actually saying that there IS nothing wrong with the SP and that the game is being balanced. This isn't 50+ pages of people agreeing with the OP's comment.