Why did they need to be phased out? Phil and myth?

[Welsper59]

They honestly just need to either remove the crafting mats from dungeon chests or reduce their chances of popping up drastically. With the fact that you can get them from GC seals and (even more easily) from Ixal trade-in, they really aren't as necessary to be found in dungeons as SE might think. In fact, with the lowered 4-man dungeon participation, the fact that servers can maintain usually high stock on them is proof of this. With the vast number of possible DL gear to be had, along with dungeon-specific drops mixed in, there's a lot of RNG involved just with that. For the people that don't want to own the gear they win, GC turn ins are currently available as well as Desynthesis... which is, if anyone has leveled it, a truly tragic tale of failures to gain skill ups or mats.

[Felis]

All the crafting items were moved to other systems and they benefited greatly from it.

Eh...? Are you playing the same game as the rest of us? At what point are random drops and massive GC expenditures considered a benefit? Philosophy tomes were a lot easier to farm up than the extortionate asking price of the new GC seals option, and the random drops now replace actual armor in these dungeons.

You should do the Ixal daily quests

All crafting mats you bought with philo and buy with myth are in the Ixal shop.

Examples:
Potash: 1 Ixali Oaknot
Cashmere Fleece: 7 Ixali Oaknot

[Tiggy]

Eh...? Are you playing the same game as the rest of us? At what point are random drops and massive GC expenditures considered a benefit? Philosophy tomes were a lot easier to farm up than the extortionate asking price of the new GC seals option, and the random drops now replace actual armor in these dungeons.

Now, not only is Darklight a toss up between getting Potash or a body piece, but you never know which item you're going to end up with. Ten bucks says it's for Culinarian though...

It's not about comparing one method or the other. It has nothing to do with the fact philo was easier to farm than GC. That misses the point entirely. Before adding all those items there was very little reason to spend GC points. With the move of those items to GC points suddenly GC was way more viable thus enhancing that system and it did benefit greatly from it. Ease of obtainment has nothing to do with what I was talking about.

Also if you paid attention you would notice darklight drops in the older dungeons. The older dungeons have a much much higher gear drop rate than the current "Expert" dungeons which frequently drop crafting ingredients. So you asked me if I even play the game, but I turn that quesiton right back at you. Those dungeons drop tons of gear. There are just several different sets so the dungeons are somewhat saturated.

and the random drops now replace actual armor in these dungeons.

Honestly this is a different issue entirely. One they've already acknowledged to us that they are looking at remedying.

Yo should do the Ixal daily quests

Also this. Variety is the spice of life.

[Risvertasashi]

Suppose they didn't phase out the old currency and introduce a new one. People would stockpile soldiery (or myth pre-2.2), get it to the 2000 cap... and then get several pieces of the new gear immediately.

This doesn't follow the progression model Squeenix wants.

[BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY]

(Forget progression just get to current endgame everything else dosnt matter)

actually yes. this exactly it. SE already stated on more then one occasion that they want players to reach post-story/end-game content rather quickly. they said it was to help mitigate the gap between the new and the old. no matter how new or old they are. of course such a gap can never be fully mitigated, without completely ruining the game that is.

[Tupsi]

Suppose they didn't phase out the old currency and introduce a new one. People would stockpile soldiery (or myth pre-2.2), get it to the 2000 cap... and then get several pieces of the new gear immediately.

This doesn't follow the progression model Squeenix wants.

You do realize people are stockpiling Myth and Sol tomes now..for that very reason, right? Once 2.4 lands, those who hit 50 Ninja and stocked up tomes will get the 'new gear' for them off the bat.

[Spiritus]

Personally, whenever I plan on lvling a new adventure class I go through coil1/st/purchasing soldiery tome items right when I begin; don't even bother with i70/i80 gear. You can farm i90 gear in a couple days from coil 1, and then when 2.4 hits i'll just farm i110 gear for them right off the bat.

You do realize people are stockpiling Myth and Sol tomes now..for that very reason, right? Once 2.4 lands, those who hit 50 Ninja and stocked up tomes will get the 'new gear' for them off the bat.

Not gonna matter, they're changing it just like 2.2
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...07c2e8b8f0e9c8

[Lemuria]

Before adding all those items there was very little reason to spend GC points. With the move of those items to GC points suddenly GC was way more viable thus enhancing that system and it did benefit greatly from it.

Great, so take MUCH NEEDED ITEMS and make them harder to obtain by relying on a currency no one cared about. Great idea SE. If they wanted seals to be relevant they could start by adding GC gear that people would actually WANT to buy.

Also if you paid attention you would notice darklight drops in the older dungeons. The older dungeons have a much much higher gear drop rate than the current "Expert" dungeons which frequently drop crafting ingredients.

Sure it does... in the 'hard' dungeons. It's also about as hard as finding a flea who can play the trombone. With the drops watered down so badly with crafting items (though never the ones you need) and the other low level gear which ALSO drops in the same dungeons you're better off ignoring Darklight gear entirely.

Honestly this is a different issue entirely. One they've already acknowledged to us that they are looking at remedying.

Acknowledging it doesn't make it better. And here they are repeating the same stupid mistake by phasing out Mythology. It's like they had a 'bring your kid to work' day and let them make all the executive decisions...

[Gralna]

Before adding all those items there was very little reason to spend GC points.

My main expendature of GC seals has never been the crafting mats, what got me serious about farming them was venture tokens. And now with ixal oaknots giving you a mutch better return on those mats than GC seals, there is even less reason to keep said crafting mats in duties.

Not to mention that to get DL gear nowadays, not only do you have to hope crafting mats dont drop, but that one of the other entirely seperate gear sets dont drop either, and then that it's the piece of DL gear you actually wanted.

[Risvertasashi]

You do realize people are stockpiling Myth and Sol tomes now..for that very reason, right? Once 2.4 lands, those who hit 50 Ninja and stocked up tomes will get the 'new gear' for them off the bat.

You will not be able to buy i120/i130 gear with stockpiled soldiery and myth and, for NIN or any other job, you'll be restricted by the 450/wk cap on the new currency. And that's the entire point of introducing new tomestones instead of perpetuating the old ones.