Dungeon ditch timer needs to go.

[Faceroller]

For one, I believe MMORPGs are about freedom and social interaction, and when that social interaction becomes strained for whatever reason, we have the right to leave the social environment without consequence. The fact that deserter timers exist, means that we can't leave party to pursue another, more stable experience for ourselves. I am not just speaking for people who might be impatient and feel the need to roll with dungeon vets; I am speaking for those, like me, who want an experience free of ninja looting, bad mouthing, and general misbehavior -- while starting fresh with new people. Because I cannot tell you about all the experiences I have had with this dungeon finder paradigm, I will end with this note. In protecting the few from social obscurity, SE has forsaken the rest of us by limiting our freedom to choose who we want to be with. In the ideal world, I would not need dungeon finder. Sadly, party finder and guild groups hardly work for low level dungeons.

[CYoung187]

I really want to hear the story of ninja looting in a dungeon. This will be good.

[Alistaire]

With any proposed change, you have to consider "how can it be abused"? And despite the times it's not your fault to ditch, the abuse possible from this idea will prevent it from ever being implemented.

Edit: and yeah, "ninja lotting"? If you cry that in a DF the problem isn't other people.

[Silverbear]

I really want to hear the story of ninja looting in a dungeon. This will be good.

I'm with ya lol exactly how do ppl Nin Loot in the dungeon??? I'm gonna guess OP that sum1 not passing gear u think u should have maybe because they higher level?

[Kuwagami]

ninja looting

Ninja doesn't exist in FFxiv

[repoe]

The fact that deserter timers exist, means that we can't leave party to pursue another, more stable experience for ourselves.

That right their is why the penalty exists.I have no issues running low levels with guild. Heck we recently did Brd brd brd hlr @ sunken temple. Ninja lotting I'm assuming you are referencing the need vs greed option when valuable sellables drop that are job specific

[Raucent]

aye, just because you won't abuse a Duty finder to ditch if you dislike anything about the group, doe not mean there aren't several more who ill ditch just to fish for an instawin group or be at X boss, such as the Multitude of queue's in ST "a player has Withdrawn...."

[Pots_Talos]

I'm guessing OP wasn't around when there wasn't a penalty timer.

[Jican]

I agree with OP for some points, and hate that anything that get's nerfed is due to people abusing the system. RMTs are a prime example in all MMORPGs. Make money busting your balls, RMTs do it with bots, nerf the way to make w/e because of RMTs, real players pay for it too. Look at materia and spirit bonding for instance. The hoops and loops and twirls we need to get any sort of CHANCE to get the materia we need. When you get stuck in the dungeon you can't beat without a job no one wants to que up for, and you spent 30 minutes of dedicated time before tanky mc spanky left because he got his loot from boss 2, and now you have to either quit and not get a win, or wait until either the timer runs out, or someone else joins up. Even with the 30 minute penalty, some people will eat it and cause the dungeon to not be done, so I'm actually for a stiffer penalty. If there is something you don't like in the dungeon, ask them to vote kick you out, you don't suffer the penalty that way.

[Demonicpoodle]

For one, I believe MMORPGs are about freedom and social interaction, and when that social interaction becomes strained for whatever reason, we have the right to leave the social environment without consequence.

without consequence.

This does not work well with humans.