Out with the OLD, IN with The NEW -- A Look Back to Epicness

[Quesse]

I think a better question would be: Will MMO's ever feel epic again?

A follow-up: Why shouldn't they?

MMO development has lost its way... for a time... but like me and the OP, there are lots of people out there yearning for that epic MMO feeling and someday, I truly believe, someone will be smart enough to make a game that delivers. But it won't be FFXIV.

Let's face it, what we're looking for is a REAL Massive-Multiplayer-ROLEPLAYING-Game. FFXIV is not that. Like many other recent games, FFXIV is just an MMO. Its an adventurish MMO. Destiny is an MMO too. There's not a whole lot of different these days. Make a party, kill stuff, get loot. The epic role-playing feeling has been sucked out for the most part. Instead its replaced with a standard checklist that has somehow become the default for all MMOs.

I'll be patient, THAT game will eventually come.

[Jon_00]

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MMOs are a business model that focuses primarily on enticing new customers in, rather than retaining existing subs. An MMO is judged to be successful if they're bringing in more subs than they're losing.

With this business model comes dumbed down mechanics and hand-holding throughout to earn it's name as 'accessible'. Until this stops, MMOs won't feel epic.

[Asierid]

I wonder how many people where like me and never noticed until told.

You want immersion, yet you could not see the very clear copy paste features present every 10 yalms. Willful ignorance at its best.

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Wildstar did the whole hardcore thing, attunements, HARDCORE, etc; you see where that left it. Stop attempting to be elitist. You're bad at it.

"Casuals" still haven't beaten EXs. Casuals still haven't stepped into Coil (kind of like most of these people complaining about it being easy). Yet, casuals are always the most played demographic (Let me spell it out: Money) in the MMO's alive today. Get over it already. The content is there, stop being blind and play it, or go back to that dead shell of a game that XI is and play it. It is doing oh so well after all.

[maxthunder1]

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And thats why we have so many groups who wipe on the ex fights because players dont wanna learn or want to be carried. Hell players still cant do titan ex. Just because they are the most played means nothing, cause in the end they just complain its to hard or they complain about rng or what have you (not all). This is a MMO it is a long term game, it should be treated as such, it shouldnt be treated as a offline single player game. Some things should be easy some things should be hard and some things should be a grind to obtain.