SP nerfed. We were lied to.

[Raikki]

You realize thats only 30k SP through leves every 36 hours, right?

This is about how much SP I was getting per cycle before and I had no problem with it. Supplement with grinding/behest/whatever. Give it a few days and see if you can adapt. What is a reasonable SP/day goal for you? Rank 50 is about 1.8mil SP, so...

30K/36hrs = 3 months
30K/36hrs + 20K/day grinding = 1.5 months
etc.

None of that factors in doing quests which give SP now. That seems pretty casual friendly to me to be honest.

[TirionCrey]

The difference is, back then progress was the only thing that kept people playing, because it was the only thing to do. Now the actually managed to get some sort of content into the game that is really fun and keeps you busy over the time you progress "slower". It's still not where it should be, but it's getting there.

View this from the perspective of a person just starting the game. He might rank slower than we used to, but he will also have NOTHING done of what we did right away when it got implemented, so there is a lot more for new players to draw from, than what we draw from.

Besides grinding on the open field is still viable and didn't get changed at all in the patch. Raptors give the same SP, now all people need to do is find equivalent camps for all Rank ranges.

And we all know that's just a matter of time before it happens and it getting spread. Just give it some time to grow and it will be ok

[Ventus]

I get less SP from leves, this is true.

However I also haven't gotten used to the CON/THM changes yet and haven't partied up for them either. There's also more ways to gain SP for DoW/DoM now (Dungeons and quests) and I've noticed better SP gains off mob grinding (150-300 per mob as opposed to 120 every mob prior to the patch).

I don't think it's too bad. I ranked up twice today in the 2 hours I played by doing leves and grinding :3

if you're as low as it says your main class is then 2 ranks in 2 hours is actually a LOT lower than before. My pug got about 4 ranks in that time around your rank in less than 2 hours pre patch =/.

[Synfrag]

Well put TirionCrey.

I think everyone just needs to smoke a bowl, crack a beer, relax and have a little fun. It's not like we are in a race to get Sky access or anything. The game is still free after all.

[Synfrag]

if you're as low as it says your main class is then 2 ranks in 2 hours is actually a LOT lower than before. My pug got about 4 ranks in that time around your rank in less than 2 hours pre patch =/.

Not at launch it sure as hell didn't. I would know seeing as how I haven't leveled mine since about a month after launch. Maybe during alpha with 999SP per kill turned on.

[Raim]

The difference is, back then progress was the only thing that kept people playing, because it was the only thing to do. Now the actually managed to get some sort of content into the game that is really fun and keeps you busy over the time you progress "slower". It's still not where it should be, but it's getting there.

View this from the perspective of a person just starting the game. He might rank slower than we used to, but he will also have NOTHING done of what we did right away when it got implemented, so there is a lot more for new players to draw from, than what we draw from.

Besides grinding on the open field is still viable and didn't get changed at all in the patch. Raptors give the same SP, now all people need to do is find equivalent camps for all Rank ranges.

And we all know that's just a matter of time before it happens and it getting spread. Just give it some time to grow and it will be ok

I don't think too many beginners to this game will stick around when they realize all they can do is grind and 2 dungeons.

[SuzakuCMX]

if you're as low as it says your main class is then 2 ranks in 2 hours is actually a LOT lower than before. My pug got about 4 ranks in that time around your rank in less than 2 hours pre patch =/.

Nope, used to take me longer pre-patch :P

[weeble]

good, this game ain't meant to be completly solo'd, this needed to happen for people outside the soloists to acually go out and grind in groups the right way again. i like the changes, just means parties will pick up again eventually. just cause u was getting double the sp doesn't mean it was intended, they jimped archer and thm too. they was't meant to be that op.

solo'ing completly should take u double the time so naner naner ... and a naner to you all. http://www.gamefly.com/ enjoy

[Kensei]

The difference is, back then progress was the only thing that kept people playing, because it was the only thing to do. Now the actually managed to get some sort of content into the game that is really fun and keeps you busy over the time you progress "slower". It's still not where it should be, but it's getting there.

View this from the perspective of a person just starting the game. He might rank slower than we used to, but he will also have NOTHING done of what we did right away when it got implemented, so there is a lot more for new players to draw from, than what we draw from.

Besides grinding on the open field is still viable and didn't get changed at all in the patch. Raptors give the same SP, now all people need to do is find equivalent camps for all Rank ranges.

And we all know that's just a matter of time before it happens and it getting spread. Just give it some time to grow and it will be ok

The game is really the same except progression greatly slowed down. The new content will get old very, very fast if you think about it from an objective perspective. The dungeons were way overhyped and underachieved, there are very few quests and of those many require absurd traveling distances for very little SP, settlements are useless, a few new beastmen mobs for extra grinding and some new icons.

Yeah some will say more to come in the future but we are fast approaching a year. Patch 1.18 was supposed to be the fix we had all been waiting for, now everyone is saying it's 1.19 and when that comes the real fix will be 1.20. You get the idea. SE should count themselves lucky to have such devoted fans.

[Raikki]

I don't think too many beginners to this game will stick around when they realize all they can do is grind and 2 dungeons.

But they would've stuck around if all they could do was fail the same levequests every 36 hours for meaningless and effortless progression to no end?