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  1. #131
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    Velhart's Avatar
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    Velhart Aurion
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    Hyperion
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    Machinist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Aegis View Post
    That's because, back in Version 1, BLM didn't offer enough extra DPS to offset the advantages of Raise. And the ability to stack materia with no stat caps meant a decent triple meld was better than Darklight which was the best non-crafted gear at the time.
    Garuda and 17-minute speed runs would like a word with you. Not to mention you had WHM, BRD, and PLD at the time who could raise, potentially having four people with raise if you had two healers in the party. People wanted all the DPS they can get. I barely saw anyone play the class version of anything after jobs came out.
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  2. #132
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    MartaDemireux's Avatar
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    Hiraeth Petrichor
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Velhart View Post
    I barely saw anyone play the class version of anything after jobs came out.
    Aegis has the right of it, less so on the Raise, moreso on the melds and DPS. THM could put out much higher numbers than BLM due to melding Vanya and being able to cross-class PGL/LNC/ARC abilities. The 5 you lost from your job were nothing compared to the 10 you gained from being a class. BRD/ARC were in a similar position. For Dzaemal Darkhold runs it was common to have 2 WHM, 1-2 PLD (1 as a backup) a1-2 BRD and the rest ARC since ARC could pull much higher numbers than BRD.

    We can still somewhat do this today. MRD and ACN can both pull equal to higher numbers than WAR/SMN but again it takes a lot of perfectly melded gear. Well I should say we could as I haven't read much about it lately. But in any case it could bring MRD DPS to just under DRG a few months ago IIRC. But who brings a tank to do a DPS's job? lol.
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  3. #133
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    Exstal's Avatar
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    Shichi Mamura
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    Behemoth
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    Pugilist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by RiceisNice View Post
    > It's exactly the same pricing as FC housing. All it's done is allow non-FC people to buy houses for the same prices as FC. If they wanted to refer to it as "It'll be cheaper than it is now", then I have no comment on that since I haven't played since release, but it's still pretty damn despicable since "cheaper than FC housing" is easily interpreted as just that, cheaper than FC housing, and especially when they keep it under wraps up to the day of release.
    No, you're 100% wrong.

    http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...7af43f3c43828a

    compared to

    http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...6869b10e012e57

    There is the proof. Just ctrl +F "Behemoth" and compare the two.
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  4. #134
    Player Ahmbor's Avatar
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    V'ayne Mayathi
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    Spriggan
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    Marauder Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Exstal View Post
    No, you're 100% wrong.

    http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...7af43f3c43828a

    compared to

    http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...6869b10e012e57

    There is the proof. Just ctrl +F "Behemoth" and compare the two.
    B..but... m...muh rage...
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  5. #135
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    Tiggy Te'al
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    Balmung
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    Marauder Lv 53
    Quote Originally Posted by Exstal View Post
    No, you're 100% wrong.

    http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...7af43f3c43828a

    compared to

    http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...6869b10e012e57

    There is the proof. Just ctrl +F "Behemoth" and compare the two.
    I've got to be fair while yes those prices are different it doesn't mean personal housing is different. Those 2 new wards were added at the price listed in the 2.38 patch notes. The housing is not specifically for personal use so the house price is not specifically for personal purchases. The houses simply have different values than the original 5 wards did. This is for both personal and guild purchases. I really wanted to believe you too, but I don't think it works that way.
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  6. #136
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    Exstal's Avatar
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    Shichi Mamura
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    Behemoth
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    Pugilist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Tiggy View Post
    I've got to be fair while yes those prices are different it doesn't mean personal housing is different. Those 2 new wards were added at the price listed in the 2.38 patch notes. The housing is not specifically for personal use so the house price is not specifically for personal purchases. The houses simply have different values than the original 5 wards did. This is for both personal and guild purchases. I really wanted to believe you too, but I don't think it works that way.
    They made the mistake of allowing FCs to be able to purchase them. Wards 7 and 8 in all servers should have been for personal houses *only*. That is their mistake (ontop of lack of wards haha).
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  7. #137
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    Airikay's Avatar
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    Ineb Yakiria
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    Diabolos
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    White Mage Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Exstal View Post
    What did they lie about, exactly? I didn't really follow housing myself but from what I understand、

    ”It'll be cheaper than FC housing” - true, cheaper than launch FC housing compared to the amount of gil people had
    Only true if you are legacy. Compare price of medium houses from launch to now on non legacy, same price. Also, small are same price as right after they halved them after launch. Only houses that are cheaper are mansions. How many personal mansions are on your server? Only 2 on mine.

  8. #138
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    Exstal's Avatar
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    Shichi Mamura
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    Behemoth
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    Quote Originally Posted by Airikay View Post
    Only true if you are legacy. Compare price of medium houses from launch to now on non legacy, same price. Also, small are same price as right after they halved them after launch. Only houses that are cheaper are mansions. How many personal mansions are on your server? Only 2 on mine.
    Quote Originally Posted by Exstal View Post
    No, you're 100% wrong.

    http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...7af43f3c43828a

    compared to

    http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...6869b10e012e57

    There is the proof. Just ctrl +F "Behemoth" and compare the two.
    Behemoth is most certainly not a legacy. I'll edit when I leave Aurem Veil and find out how many people own mansions in each of the zones. (My guess is over 35).

    If mansion means large, I was way off. Only 6 people have large houses and 1 FC (in the new wards).
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    Last edited by Exstal; 10-08-2014 at 11:18 AM.

  9. #139
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    Evaddaragon's Avatar
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    Evad D'aragon
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    Gilgamesh
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    Paladin Lv 88
    Quote Originally Posted by Airikay View Post
    Only true if you are legacy. Compare price of medium houses from launch to now on non legacy, same price. Also, small are same price as right after they halved them after launch. Only houses that are cheaper are mansions. How many personal mansions are on your server? Only 2 on mine.
    Not exactly true. Works for Goblin (your world), but not for Asura (another non-Legacy). It simply means people are, as a whole, richer on your server, and nothing else.
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  10. #140
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    Airikay's Avatar
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    Ineb Yakiria
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    Diabolos
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exstal View Post
    Behemoth is most certainly not a legacy. I'll edit when I leave Aurem Veil and find out how many people own mansions in each of the zones. (My guess is over 35).
    You might want to read what I said and look at those prices again. Im seeing 30-37.5 for Behemoth on mediums for both.

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