Thread: Patch 2.4 Preview

I believe the whole housing argument has derailed the original topic of this thread. it is beating the most dead horse that ever died, became undead, was vanquished, was repossessed, was vanquished again, and then got paved into a road and walked across for ages, feet beating it till it was deader than dead ever was.

Back on the topic of 2.4, I really hope they come out with a healer class. we only have one, and it makes me sad.

Originally Posted by ZReport

I'm sorry you feel poor, but not everyone has your individual problem.

Who said I felt poor? Resorting to insults is so mature... not. Try again.

I actually own a rather nice plot, so poor isnt me, thank you very much.

Originally Posted by Teirshin

Um.... really?

Yoshi's original statement was "While I cannot give a specific date on when personal housing will be implemented, I can say that prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable".

I'd call that straight up BS... aka a lie.

The problem was that by the time personal housing was released those were reasonable prices for personal housing. Making 4 mil isn't unreasonable to make within a month at all. They should have jacked up guild housing to compensate though. I don't for a second thing mixing the zones was a bad idea though. Separating them has more Cons than keeping them together.

Originally Posted by Airikay

They lied about it. Said one thing, did another and didn't try to correct themselves. It wasn't released as it was suppose to be originally stated, it was a lazy work around where they just slapped personal housing with FC housing and called it a day. The thing starts, where if you lie to your consumer, who's to say they won't do it again? So now everyone just expects the worse possible outcome, because that's what housing became.

What did they lie about, exactly?　I didn't really follow housing myself but from what I understand、

”It'll be cheaper than FC housing”　- true, cheaper than launch FC housing compared to the amount of gil people had
”850k won't be enough” - true, wasn't even close to enough
”more affordable than FC housing” - true, more people have gil now over the 10s of millions

I guess omission of some background facts is akin to lying.

Help me understand this issue more fully, please.

Originally Posted by Exstal

What did they lie about, exactly?　I didn't really follow housing myself but from what I understand、

”It'll be cheaper than FC housing”　- true, cheaper than launch FC housing compared to the amount of gil people had
”850k won't be enough” - true, wasn't even close to enough
”more affordable than FC housing” - true, more people have gil now over the 10s of millions

> It's exactly the same pricing as FC housing. All it's done is allow non-FC people to buy houses for the same prices as FC. If they wanted to refer to it as "It'll be cheaper than it is now", then I have no comment on that since I haven't played since release, but it's still pretty damn despicable since "cheaper than FC housing" is easily interpreted as just that, cheaper than FC housing, and especially when they keep it under wraps up to the day of release.

> Agreed.

>Same problem as statement 1. I wouldn't consider it "more affordable" than FC housing when it...costs the same as FC housing...

As far as 2.4 is concerned, I'm expecting a lot of halfassed additions or content that doesn't have a whole lot of longevity outside of shoving players in via roulette, if only because of previous updates (hunts, expert dungeons, etc).

-New dungeons award Ilvl 90, despite the possible new tomes giving ilvl 100 or higher (assuming you even get drops, current dungeons are so saturated with materials)
-EX primal awards ilvl 105 gear, leaving really no incentive to clear it other than for the sake of it or recreation.
-SCoB awards echo, but will still gate it to PF and statics due to the heavy emphasis on mechanics.

Originally Posted by RiceisNice

> It's exactly the same pricing as FC housing. All it's done is allow non-FC people to buy houses for the same prices as FC. If they wanted to refer to it as "It'll be cheaper than it is now", then I have no comment on that since I haven't played since release, but it's still pretty damn despicable since "cheaper than FC housing" is easily interpreted as just that, cheaper than FC housing, and especially when they keep it under wraps up to the day of release.

No, you're 100% wrong.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...7af43f3c43828a

compared to

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...6869b10e012e57

There is the proof. Just ctrl +F "Behemoth" and compare the two.

Originally Posted by Exstal

No, you're 100% wrong.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...7af43f3c43828a

compared to

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...6869b10e012e57

There is the proof. Just ctrl +F "Behemoth" and compare the two.

B..but... m...muh rage...

Originally Posted by Exstal

No, you're 100% wrong.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...7af43f3c43828a

compared to

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...6869b10e012e57

There is the proof. Just ctrl +F "Behemoth" and compare the two.

I've got to be fair while yes those prices are different it doesn't mean personal housing is different. Those 2 new wards were added at the price listed in the 2.38 patch notes. The housing is not specifically for personal use so the house price is not specifically for personal purchases. The houses simply have different values than the original 5 wards did. This is for both personal and guild purchases. I really wanted to believe you too, but I don't think it works that way.

Originally Posted by Tiggy

I've got to be fair while yes those prices are different it doesn't mean personal housing is different. Those 2 new wards were added at the price listed in the 2.38 patch notes. The housing is not specifically for personal use so the house price is not specifically for personal purchases. The houses simply have different values than the original 5 wards did. This is for both personal and guild purchases. I really wanted to believe you too, but I don't think it works that way.

They made the mistake of allowing FCs to be able to purchase them. Wards 7 and 8 in all servers should have been for personal houses *only*. That is their mistake (ontop of lack of wards haha).

Originally Posted by Exstal

No, you're 100% wrong.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...7af43f3c43828a

compared to

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...6869b10e012e57

There is the proof. Just ctrl +F "Behemoth" and compare the two.

What am I wrong about exactly? Unless I'm missing something here, you're showing me the prices for plots from [2.1] have lowered going into [2.38]. The problem I'm referring to is how they would say "...prices will be completely separate from free company housing....", but slap on the abiltiy for individuals to purchase land and houses that used to be exclusive to FCs (and essentially, the same product and same pricing.)

I mentioned that they could possibly meant that "the prices we'll give this houses will be lower than what it is now", which is at best a misunderstanding and at worse misleading the context that the readers are supposed to get.