Fenrir in a duneon? Really SE, reallllllllly?

[MageBlack]

Again you've completely missed the point. I know the summons have been in previous games in the series. My point was XIV took the exact entire set of elemental summons from XI. Come on, you can't have overlooked the fact that tons of things from XI were copied directly into XIV. Most of the common enemy models are the same, the races are the same with new names, the primals = the avatars. When SE chose to copy directly like that they set an expectation that other things might receive the same treatment. That is why people are disappointed. Fenrir and Diabolos were very important in XI but here they're just one-off bosses that you'll defeat and then forget about as they're inconsequential to the story. It's disappointing.



If the devs added your favourite job in an expansion but gutted it and made it nothing like you expected you would be disappointed. You would have a right to voice that disappointment. So why can't people voice disappointment that one of their favourite characters has been relegated to the trash heap?

As for how often any summon is actually used... that's nothing to do with the summon itself and more to do with bad balancing by the devs. You rarely see ifrit or titan summoned because the devs refuse to make them useful.

You are disappointed due to reading too much into things. Here's a thought. Would it still be possible for them to add in Fenrir, Diablos, and Siren as summons later on? this is just their initial introduction? How do we know the dark crystal doesnt all of a sudden go nutz and enrage all the primals? Did you watch the intro from 1.0? Did you see how many lights were released in the battle with Midgardsormir? They were ALL summons. Yoshi-P already stated "no new summons will be introduced until the release of 3.0" "the end of 2.0 will be just as impactful and grand as the end of 1.0, just without redoing all the landscape.

I do get your point, but can you tell me exactly when Fenrir was introduced into FFXI? if it wasnt in Rise of the Zilart, then it is NOT the initial set of summons. and its fenrir the only neat thing they did with him was this:

[Vespar]

I am just happy to see Fenrir in the game He looks bada$$!!! Nice job there SE devs!! I cant wait to see him moving around with all the shadows and other effects <3

[ExKage]

Where's the first pic of Shiva from? Unless she changes later I don't remember Shiva looking like that in 8.

FFIII DS
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[Damane]

http://gamerescape.com/2014/10/06/ff...main-scenario/

So with great sadness I got on to an F/C member telling me Fenrir is going to be in the game but... In the new dungeon? I didn't believe him, I went and looked it up and sure enough. I know some people won't really care and that is fine however, with the fan art they teased us with since 2.0 and the fact that in XI with Fenrir's full power he could stand against Bahamut, I feel like he had such a bigger Role in this game. (Yes I know, Lore doesn't go over games but come on!) Perhaps if dungeons were actually heard in XIV it wouldn't be such a bad thing but the only hard thing in XIV is coils and we all know it! So they ruined possibly great content with Siren, Diablos and now Fenrir! What summon do you think is going to get stuck in the "dungeon" next patch and or expansion? I think it will be Alexander and or Phoenix personally. What do you guys think?

this isnt FFXI, so i dont see the point. I still play FFXI, but FFXIV is different lore/world/characters, so it doesnt bother me that much. I dont see why this should be a point people complain about. The game isnt called FFXI-2 HD remake, its FFXIV. and its refreshing to see a different lore/character approach to stuff

[RegnumMagik]

Yes let's fight over the fact that they decide to change the lore up a bit.

[Tiggy]

Again you've completely missed the point. I know the summons have been in previous games in the series. My point was XIV took the exact entire set of elemental summons from XI. Come on, you can't have overlooked the fact that tons of things from XI were copied directly into XIV. Most of the common enemy models are the same, the races are the same with new names, the primals = the avatars. When SE chose to copy directly like that they set an expectation that other things might receive the same treatment. That is why people are disappointed. Fenrir and Diabolos were very important in XI but here they're just one-off bosses that you'll defeat and then forget about as they're inconsequential to the story. It's disappointing.

No, you simply have expectations you should never have had in the first place. So they copied some features directly from XI. Well they also didn't copy many things from XI at the same time. The idea that because the elemental avatars were the same therefore the elder primals should be the same holds no water. The elemental primals being the same only means the elemental primals were the same. Nothing more. Nothing less. Anything beyond what's right in front of you was an assumption. A reasonable assumption yes, but still an assumption. If you want to be disappointed then you should be disappointed with your own assumption based expectations.

In addition to all the assumptions. People are also assuming he isn't an elder primal. There is literally nothing that states a dungeon boss is A) already at their full power and B) can't return some day in the future. Keep in mind they already told us the Kraken would return someday and we never killed him. Nothing stops this from being a weaker aspect of fenrir, or fenrir himself just not at full power, or any number of possible options including him being a elder primal. So many assumptions.

[Damane]

Yes let's fight over the fact that they decide to change the lore up a bit.

I just returned to the game 2 weeks ago (never played much, former and still current FFXI player), but it seems that former FFXI players seem to play this game with the expectaion of it being FFXI 2.0. This should not be the case, its a totally different game, that just uses essential Final Fantasy material that come from throughout FF1-FFXIII.
This is NOT FFXI its FFXIV, different mechanics, different lore, different world/land. People need to adjust their expectations and be open minded.

[Lollerblades]

I'm sad to see Fenny used as a boss. However, it may not be the only time we see her. If it is so be it. 2.4 is the end of the primal story arc I believe so I'm looking forward to what the future brings

[Moqi]

I don't get the complaining, I think a dungeon suited Diablos and Siren just fine and I'm sure it will be the same for Fenrir (who isn't even that popular in the first place).

[Mugiawara]

I'd almost be willing to bet that Alexander will BE the dungeon rather than be IN the dungeon.

-Ishgard is a holy castle already. Maybe 3.0 will have it transform into Alexander like in FFIX.

-FFXI had 2 versions. the mini Alexander that was a summon and the ruins in the water that were the real Alexander (size of a giant castle).

-As Alexander is a giant mechanical castle in most iterations it could be in Garlean territory, perhaps the seat of the throne? Not sure if they've given name to their base of operations on their own soil.

I'd be one happy mofo if Alexander IS the dungeon.
I've been mentioning this for so long now...Either he's the dungeon, or a town/castle like FF9...That'll be awesome.
Alexander is my favourite summon. I'd be more happy if he was a a castle somewhere...and not necessarily bad or something...maybe a protector.