Please add clearance condition to Group Finder

[Zoeila]

i know its not intention but this feels like segregation to me. i cant really learn ramuh in df cause its like a 90 min queue and people leave after a couple wipes and nobody will join learning groups i make

[NyarukoW]

... So 99% of people here understand the difference between duty finder and party finder, and what each is supposed to accomplish....

I think 100% of the players now that the DF and PF are meant to be used to bring players together. The DF bring them together across servers while the the PF brings people together on the same server. It is a tool for match making. It is not meant to be used exclude player or to hire players. If any the clear sellers are putting themselves up for hire, and it is up the clear buyer to pay them and they certainly have the good business sense NOT to exclude anyone.

Lets just call the "clearance condition" for what it really is, "the no newbies wanted" check box. This is deliberately used to segregate and divide the player base.

.. Each and every player has the RIGHT to decide who they want to play with, jerk or not....It isn't about nice or mean, its about freedom to choose, which we all have.

So player should have the right to join any PF out there, because they should have the right to choose. It would be better if they had the good sense to join the right ones, but the freedom belongs to all players, not just the party creator/host. So the host does not get exclude people. They can talk to them and even try the instance with them, but the host has the kick power to remove people. The PF host no more entitled to quick and easy farms then a random player looking for quick and easy farm clear. Both are equal, and if both are too lazy, they deserve to be together with each other and be stuck in the mess they are in. If you want to farm on consistent basis, do tryouts, recruit form your farm static.

The PF host do NOT need more power, they do do NOT need the system to exclude people for them with a broken "the no newbies wanted" check box, that will never filter out the unskilled/inexperienced that bought their clears, which is really the least of my concern. But more importantly, it will divide up and create segregation in the player base, and it will promote RMT thru clear sellers, and it will be terrible PR for SE.

[Gucci_Charms]

I think 100% of the players now that the DF and PF are meant to be used to bring players together. The DF bring them together across servers while the the PF brings people together on the same server. It is a tool for match making. It is not meant to be used exclude player or to hire players. If any the clear sellers are putting themselves up for hire, and it is up the clear buyer to pay them and they certainly have the good business sense NOT to exclude anyone.

Lets just call the "clearance condition" for what it really is, "the no newbies wanted" check box. This is deliberately used to segregate and divide the player base.

What if they do not want to be together with you if you're a really bad player or you simply do not meet the party's requirements nor read the description properly in PF? If it says no newbies or 100 mythology message allowed, why would you want to embarass yourself? LOL.

I think all your posts are nonsense. They are are based off a delusional world of Final Fantasy XIV: NyarukoW Realm Reborn where you want veteran players to be at your beck and call to carry new players like yourself through content because you do not understand Party Finder's functionality nor want to put in the effort to learn anything.

Keep hoping for your non-exclusion world. As it stands, with or without a clearance required filter, veteran players will still continue to exclude new players in order to get their objectives done. They absolutely have no obligation or little incentive to help new players. If they want to help new players, however, they will do it at their own accord - not because NyarukoW entitlement says they have to

#RealTalk

I would support this idea for two reasons. 1: Players will find their own way of doing this anyway, so it is impossible for SE to stop it (jerks or otherwise) 2: Each and every player has the RIGHT to decide who they want to play with, jerk or not. If they only wish to play with people who have cleared already they have the right to do that. It isn't about nice or mean, its about freedom to choose, which we all have.

^So true

[NyarukoW]

.... If it says no newbies or 100 mythology message allowed, why would you want to embarass yourself? LOL.

I didn't say it, some said it:

Each and every player has the RIGHT to decide who they want to play with, jerk or not. ... It isn't about nice or mean, its about freedom to choose, which we all have.

Which means it applies to everyone, but somehow they quickly forgot about everyone and somehow made the PF host more equal than others. I do NOT advocate anyone embarassing themselves, I sure wouldn't go help some farm party that thinks too highly of themselves. But everyone should have the freedom. If you are too lazy form your farm static, why are you entitled to have people be at your beck and call when you want to farm?

[Gucci_Charms]

Which means it applies to everyone, but somehow they quickly forgot about everyone and somehow made the PF host more equal than others. I do NOT advocate anyone embarassing themselves, I sure wouldn't go help some farm party that thinks too highly of themselves. But everyone should have the freedom. If you are too lazy form your farm static, why are you entitled to have people be at your beck and call when you want to farm?

If everyone has the freedom to choose, they also have the freedom to choose to exclude people who just don't meet the requirements for their party. What your implying is that new players should just join farm or previous win parties because they have the freedom to do so without any regard for what the conditions are for that party. Just because you supposedly don't (hard to believe) doesn't mean all new players will follow your same practice.

You are simply promoting new players to essentially get raged on by veteran players and blacklisted at that very moment.

Your emphasis that only statics can be farm groups is hilarious and nothing more than nonsense.

[NyarukoW]

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... new players to essentially get raged on by veteran players and blacklisted at that very moment. ....

Static farm groups are effective and efficient. It is not nonsense, you are just too lazy to do that.

And why should be new players be treated badly by veteran players? Why should they be blacklisted? That is bad behavior on part of the experienced players. BTW you seen in this thread or any other, I've never advocated for new players to go crash farm parties. Nonetheless, the PF host has the power kick people from the party before they even start the instance. So it only fair the power to join belongs to player joining the PF, after all they are helping fill out the party. Beggars can't be choosers.

And is it so hard to talk to people and figure out what they know or whether if they can help? Or what is so wrong to give the new player one chance, and if they wipe then kick them? Whatever happened "kick for wiping the party"? That is a lot more fair than so silly "no newbies wanted" check box that doesn't work. People with clears but lack practice, skill, or experience deserves to be kicked a lot more than someone without a clear that is performing well.

[ExKage]

If you are too lazy form your farm static, why are you entitled to have people be at your beck and call when you want to farm?

I understand that you think this will contribute to newbie vs veteran but you are doing a great job at furthering it yourself by being antagonistic and hostile with comments like these when they bear no relevance.

People want to form a PF with like-minded or certain individuals with certain achievements. There is nothing inherently wrong with this. PF is a tool for people to use to help gather "statics". Or there are moments when your static isn't available because the static was created with the sole purpose of raiding SCOB. Things like Trials such as Ramuh Ex I'd rather PF. If I want to join a learning group, I will. If I want to join a group of people who have cleared and would rather not have to explain every single mechanic, I will. This only serve a tool.

If someone believes "I would just be able to clear if everyone else knew what they were doing but none of these seemingly go for clear groups are working out" and that they would do well in a farm party, or one that would need to meet such criteria such as that proposed by OP, they can /tell the PF leader and ask. Take the PF recruiting info down, invite, then put back up.

[Gucci_Charms]

Static farm groups are effective and efficient. It is not nonsense, you are just too lazy to do that

So people who use Party Finder for what it is actually designed for are all lazy? Okay gotcha. This makes so much sense considering any player posting anything in PF is actually taking the initiative to do something about what they want to do (being proactive since you don't understand what this means).

Are you in a farm static? Your gear and experience seem to say you have no end-game content credibility to actually know what farming entails. You therefore have nothing to base your emo rants on other than high possibility that you are a new player who tries to ninja win or get carried.

And why should be new players be treated badly by veteran players? Why should they be blacklisted?

Because they try to ninja win or get carried and cannot read the PF description the host made. Why should they waste that group's time instead of making a learning party?

People with clears but lack practice, skill, or experience deserves to be kicked a lot more than someone without a clear that is performing well.

You have no clears, skill, or experience with farming - so you deserve to be kicked out of any clear or farm parties. Hunt life does not count. Sorry

[NyarukoW]

... Party Finder for what it is actually designed for are all lazy? ...

Lazy people are NOT using it as designed. You don't get to use it to divide up the player base. You may think you are using it as designed just like players who think that they can farm are joining your farm PFs. You want to farm, they want to farm, what is the disagreement. Because that is actually working as designed, but you just don't like it that way, why else are you trying to change things. Oh you want to farm successfully, just like they do to, but neither put in the time an effort to form a farming static. Guess what the system will never be able to magically find you all the skilled and experienced players your want, whenever you want.

You can keep calling me names complain about my gear level, whatever, but that doesn't change the fact that, you (or any other players) are NOT entitled to have people at your beck and call for your farm PF. You are not that special that everyone else on the server has to yield to your wishes. Fact is, for the toughest newest content/instance for the best reward, there will never be enough players that got far enough to be immediately available to you when you want it. And excluding potentials will only make that those PFs even harder to fill.

[Gucci_Charms]

More emo baseless rants

You have no credibility with farming nor understand what Party Finder is designed for. You also clearly have no idea what lazy and proactive mean. So, we can't take you seriously.

You are not that special that everyone else on the server has to yield to your wishes.

You just answered your own questions concerning exclusion for new players with the above statement. Veteran players do not have to yield to new player wishes. So proud of you!