[Pole] Do you want to see the summoner class reworked?

[Razard]

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I think the problem is not that people dislike discussion or want every class to be the same forever. It's that these threads often devolve into " Why isn't summoner like #insert name of ff here#?", "Why is my egi so tiiiiinnyy?", "Why isn't my pet doing 95% of my damage?", "My Idea for the class is #insert an Akiza-esq idea which is dumb and would break the game in half#."

People around here are rather sick of the repetition.

[Spellbinder]

I think the problem is not that people dislike discussion or want every class to be the same forever. It's that these threads often devolve into...

That's exactly my point. I'd bet all my gil that if someone started a thread for a legitimate discussion, it would turn into this again. The community simply isn't ready to talk about issues rationally, at least not anymore. I had a nice thread going at release that now rests at about 58 pages (572 posts) in English, and 29 page thread (287 posts) in the Japanese forum that's still on the first page.

I'd like to discuss real issues and bugs for the developers to get feedback, but, for some reason, it just isn't pheasible anymore.

[Exstal]

That's exactly my point. I'd bet all my gil that if someone started a thread for a legitimate discussion, it would turn into this again. The community simply isn't ready to talk about issues rationally, at least not anymore. I had a nice thread going at the release of that now rests at about 58 pages (572 posts) in English, and 29 page thread (287 posts) in the Japanese forum that's still on the first page.

I'd like to discuss real issues and bugs for the developers to get feedback, but, for some reason, it just isn't pheasible anymore.

The ACN => SMN thread?

That one was pretty sensible and addressed some actual issues.

[Spellbinder]

The ACN => SMN thread?

That one was pretty sensible and addressed some actual issues.

It was the "(Un)Official Arcanist/Summmoner Feedback Thread." Things got a bit unwieldy at times, but discussions were fairly level-headed and on point, and a few bugs were brought to light in the thread that were eventually addressed. I wouldn't say it was because of our discussion that they were addressed, but it was nice to see problems being fixed as players saw them.

[Dwill]

I wouldn't have put it quite like that, but yes, that's pretty much the reason (and my friends, who have all played WoW [although I never have] often make references to job similarities with Warrior and Paladin).

Due to the suggestions of certain posters in this thread, it seems to be devolving into the thread of "No," beating down any nails that stick out in favor of changes. That said, the "suggestions" in the last few pages are quite outlandish, so I don't blame people for saying "No." Even I would at this point, and I'm in favor of seeing adjustments. (Note: not a reworking of the job, just adjustments)

The developers have stated somewhere amidst the sea of lolz and .gifs on these forums that they will be:

1. Reviewing the balance of the Egi. Contagion is, in my opinion, a point of contention for many players as it can easily overshadow any Egi released in the future as it already does now in many situations. There's no telling how they're going to balance the Egi, but I hope they give each and every one some meaningful utility that gives players incentive to use all of them.

2. Review skills that are rarely used. During the NicoNico Choukaigi event (this, or a previous live letter), he stated they would revisit skills collecting dust in the arsenals of Eorzea's adventurers, offering up Tridisaster as a primary example.

The basic playstyle of the Summoner job seems fine to me, but I would be lieing if I said there aren't small issues and quality of life issues that sorely need addressing.

I agree with nearly all of this. The thing is like Razard stated, as soon as anything somewhat rational, someone with a total lack of understanding of MMO balance is going to jump in the thread and start suggesting some really broken ideas and then it's going to turn into an Akiza-fest. Hopefully the rebalance of the Egi and the (hopefully) reborned Tri-Disaster will shorten the list of issues and we can actually talk about the QoL changes that the class could use.

[Akiza]

Speaking of QoL the Arcanist needs Dimensional and Space-Time Magic added considering Tri-Disaster is equivalent to Stop which is Time Magic.

[Exstal]

Speaking of QoL the Arcanist needs Dimensional and Space-Time Magic added considering Tri-Disaster is equivalent to Stop which is Time Magic.

...how is that a QoL change?

[Razard]

Speaking of QoL the Arcanist needs Dimensional and Space-Time Magic added considering Tri-Disaster is equivalent to Stop which is Time Magic.

Case in point.

[Duuude007]

No its not broken, don't try to fix it.
Also polls don't work.

[Rex]

This ageeeee old thread....again....