People kicking new players for watching cs's.....just stupid.

[Taliph]

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Hours to days to build a df party, as you admitted above. With that as a given, 7*15 min 1 hour 45 min of cumulative time, vs those hours to days for the new player... Again hypocritical to think that 1:45 min, distributed amongst 7 people cumulatively, is worth more then that new player's hours to days if they do as you suggest.

[Razzle]

Hours to days to build a df party, as you admitted above. With that as a given, 7*15 min 1 hour 45 min of cumulative time, vs those hours to days for the new player... Again hypocritical to think that 1:45 min, distributed amongst 7 people cumulatively, is worth more then that new player's hours to days if they do as you suggest.

My point seem to just fly trough your head or maybe my english is just not good (sorry not native). Eitherway, if I were you I wouldn't expect any of this to change, but I'd like to think SE learned their lessons and won't be making anymore of such dungeons. (have to deal with the old ones though hehe)

I will sum my point as best as I can(sorry for generelizing): Have the game your way will result in less people running the dungeon since obviously the reason so many vets run it currently is because it can be done fast. Less people running the dungeon = more time que for newbies.

So the better solution for a newbie who'd like a faster que is to not force vets on CS. That way, the run can be done fast which as a result will encourage vets to join (and reduce the newbie's que) in the first place.

[Hik0]

the run can be done fast which as a result will encourage vets to join (and reduce the newbie's que) in the first place.

no, what encourage people to join is the reward, not the possibility of having it done fast.
the issue is people can get the "1st timer bonus" while running the dungeon like if their was no 1st timers and then do'nt want to wait.
Imo an easy fix would be:
-make CS unskipable on 1st view
-only give "1st timer bonus" to players if new players where able to join every fight
-readjust reward so the reward per hour order is: roulette with 1st timer > roulette w/o 1st timer = no roulette with 1st timer> other content

[Vladislav]

no, what encourage people to join is the reward, not the possibility of having it done fast.
the issue is people can get the "1st timer bonus" while running the dungeon like if their was no 1st timers and then do'nt want to wait.
Imo an easy fix would be:
-make CS unskipable on 1st view
-only give "1st timer bonus" to players if new players where able to join every fight
-readjust reward so the reward per hour order is: roulette with 1st timer > roulette w/o 1st timer = no roulette with 1st timer> other content

good pont , tho my thoughts is :
- make CS unskipable if new player in instance (allmost same as yours)
- make system that lock out boss room , or all rooms in instance (like when duty starts) if some players still in CS
- unable to vote if player not won duty before at all
- greatest rewards (tome/gills/ maybe even unique items for help newb)

[Lux_Rayna]

Okay if you elect to do content through a pickup group, you cant reasonably expect to control what the majority does. No group should bend to your will bc you want to watch CS.

The solution is to do this with...friends! Novel concept I know, but when you socialize amongst fellow adventurers you can do content however and whenever you please. Its also much more entertaining.

[Razzle]

no, what encourage people to join is the reward, not the possibility of having it done fast.

When you finish runs fast the total amount of reward is bigger in X time, than it'd be in the same time while doing the runs slow. So yes, fast runs encourage vets to spam it and run it for more reward VS time.

the issue is people can get the "1st timer bonus" while running the dungeon like if their was no 1st timers and then do'nt want to wait.
Imo an easy fix would be:
-make CS unskipable on 1st view - you're too hopeful for the community and players if you think most vets will stay and not leave the instance instantly when they see a newbie msg.
-only give "1st timer bonus" to players if new players where able to join every fight - again, the reward VS time will still win. instead of waiting the newbie to join all fights, the vets can do 2 times the run in that time, so no one would.
-readjust reward so the reward per hour order is: roulette with 1st timer > roulette w/o 1st timer = no roulette with 1st timer> other content - dont really get that one

[Ollima]

Hopefully in the future instead of placing tedious amounts of CS's stretched throughout relevant main story dungeons, they instead implement them in the beginning and in the end. And to alleviate the stress on the beginners they add live dialogue scenes within the middle of the dungeon (Ala WoW, Everquest). This way they don't miss anything, SR's can go as fast as the pacing of the dungeon allows them to. With this idea both parties can enter the DF without hoping others will concede with their expectations. And I'm sure there's more that can be added to this notion, as this is just my free-thought with no real definition.

[Kiroh]

Demanding 7 random strangers do what you want, but getting upset when they do what they want...

Yeah.

[Hik0]

When you finish runs fast the total amount of reward is bigger in X time, than it'd be in the same time while doing the runs slow. So yes, fast runs encourage vets to spam it and run it for more reward VS time.

-readjust reward so the reward per hour order is: roulette with 1st timer > roulette w/o 1st timer = no roulette with 1st timer> other content -

dont really get that one

then you didnt understand my proposal at all!
let's say player A does a roulette with "1st timer watching CS bonus", player B does roulette without 1stimers and twice the better dungeon, player C run 6times the better dungeon, they all start and finish at the same time.
A got n tomestone, B got m+2p tomestone, C got 6p tomestones.

just set the reward so n>m+2p>6p!

[PrimeEvilPanda]

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A shame your friend can't come to our server/data centre...I run Preae and CM for SBing all the time and every newbie we get in DF is always allowed time to watch their CS. I wish I could post the pics, but yesterday a JP was harrassing a newbie English player by provoking the bosses ahead of time and shouting "gogogo". A vote kick was initiated by the JP to remove him and everyone carried on as normal. During wait times, we found it helps to dress up in the chocobo suits or throw confetti..