People kicking new players for watching cs's.....just stupid.

[Razzle]

Lol gotta love the "Don't tell newbies to go PF story dungeons because it will take ages" argument.

Well doh, it takes ages because you don't have the "meanie elitists selfish entitled veterans" decrease your que time. So that argument is pretty much hypocrite...

If you were to remove those "meanie elitists selfish entitled veterans" from DF, guess what? your que in the DF would be close or same as it'd be in PF.

Want a fast que with majority rules rule? - DF. Want a slower que with I rule rule - PF. Pretty simple really.
You can make threads and rage all you want, SE won't ban the skippers because they are the majority. SE won't force CS because then skippers won't play that content and newbies will whine it takes 9999 years to find a party. You are just wasting your time sitting here and complaining. Use that time and build a party in PF to your liking, shout for a bit and done, use your FC, LS, and done.

I was a newbie too, I skipped cutscenes, I love the story and I read all quests, and I still don't think I missed anything and would do it again.

[Taliph]

Lol gotta love the "Don't tell newbies to go PF story dungeons because it will take ages" argument.

Well doh, it takes ages because you don't have the "meanie elitists selfish entitled veterans" decrease your que time. So that argument is pretty much hypocrite...

I was a newbie too, I skipped cutscenes, I love the story and I read all quests, and I still don't think I missed anything and would do it again.

So your solution is that new players don't progress in the story unless they cope with toxic vets? That's a great way to build community. >.>

Not to mention, the quest log specifically states to use duty finder for these quests...

[Razzle]

So your solution is that new players don't progress in the story unless they cope with toxic vets? That's a great way to build community. >.>

Not to mention, the quest log specifically states to use duty finder for these quests...

Huh? they progress eitherway. Have your fast que with "toxic selfish" seven other people, or have a slower one without those, on PF.

Eitherway that's the solution you can keep complaining in the forums but it just won't change anything, I edited my post see why

Not to mention, the quest log specifically states to use duty finder for these quests...

Because that's how you enter every instanced duty in the game in any way? PF - once everyone are ready, uses the duty finder window to enter.

[Taliph]

Huh? they progress eitherway. Have your fast que with "toxic selfish" seven other people, or have a slower one without those, on PF.

Eitherway that's the solution you can keep complaining in the forums but it just won't change anything, I edited my post see why

I challenge you to roll a new character, level it to 50, and try a party finder for castrum... See how many days it takes to get a full party.

[Razzle]

I challenge you to roll a new character, level it to 50, and try a party finder for castrum... See how many days it takes to get a full party.

You just prooved my point in my first post. Thanks

[Taliph]

Really? That it's SUPER slow to play the content the way it was intended? Talk about hypocrisy... "I've been playing longer so my minutes are worth more then your days"

[CGMidlander]

I personally don't mind people watching cutscenes.
I don't queue up in DF with the mindset of "zomg bleeding edge speedrunz" anyway.

My linkshells and static are for srs bsns stuff like that lol

[Razzle]

Really? That it's SUPER slow to play the content the way it was intended? Talk about hypocrisy... "I've been playing longer so my minutes are worth more then your days"

Um no. Looks like you missed the point:
1. The veterans you rage about are the ones decreasing the que time for (the nearly non exsistant) people you defend. - That's what I meant by hypocracy (its thanks to the vets that newbies have a fast que in the first place)
2. It's nice that a superhero like yourself comes to the rescue, but lets hear your solutions: Force the cutscenes on this dungeons? That will lead the vets to not join that run at all since hardly any vet who ran this a million time wants to join a run where he has to wait for someone to watch a movie. What's your other solution? To tell 7 others to sit and wait until one finish watching? You can try but lets be reaslitic, you're not going to change the world.
3. The system works the way SE intended it to. That's why they don't do anything about it. They WANT vets to decrease que time for NEWBIES (and that won't happen if they force cs on them)

Of course in this argument you seem like the super hero and I seem like some kind of villian who wants to destroy the world lol, but in reailty the best solution for both parties is the one currently in game. (yes for newbies too as they get a faster que as a result). Which is to allow vets to skip cutscenes (because lets face it, otherwise most wouldnt run it, and if you think they will, you have too many hopes for this community lol)

[Taliph]

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You realize that more then half the players haven't finished the storyline. And my solution would be for vets to realize that this game is still in its early stages and that those new players that they spurn help keep the game afloat just as much as the vets. This isn't a mechanic issue, this is a people issue and the people who are inconsiderate are actually hurting the game. Unfortunately I know that this won't change with my wishes alone but that won't stop me from advocating for the new players.

May as well add some math to this post, since you seem to think it's simple numbers, yet ignore several variables.

Maths:
1 new player (hours to days wait for pf) > 7 players (15 min of cs wait)

Simple math, but people blind themselves to the time variable for the single player, assuming theirs is worth more...

It boils down to this, these are story quests in the story roulette, no one should have to expect that they won't be able to experience these quests as they were developed.

[Razzle]

You realize that more then half the players haven't finished the storyline. And my solution would be for vets to realize that this game is still in its early stages and that those new players that they spurn help keep the game afloat just as much as the vets. This isn't a mechanic issue, this is a people issue and the people who are inconsiderate are actually hurting the game. Unfortunately I know that this won't change with my wishes alone but that won't stop me from advocating for the new players.

May as well add some math to this post, since you seem to think it's simple numbers, yet ignore several variables.

Maths:
1 new player (hours to days wait for pf) > 7 players (15 min of cs wait)

Simple math, but people blind themselves to the time variable for the single player, assuming theirs is worth more...

It boils down to this, these are story quests in the story roulette, no one should have to expect that they won't be able to experience these quests as they were developed.

1. Yes it is a mechanic issue (see other countless MMORPG who don't put CS in middle of an instanced multiplayer area.
2. The number of Newbies - sure are many. The number of newbies who wants to watch the CS instead of get the dungeon done with - Is pretty low at least from my experience. Of course it's all guesses but knowing mmorpg gamers I bet on the newbie skippers group to be much larger. - its not only vets who want to skip.
3. Again, your solution is nice in a perfect world but it wont happen so you're just basically grinding water because it just won't happen.
4. yes, 7 players's time is worth more than 1 player's time. (and btw hours to days? lol thats extremly lazy player who hates to communicate and refuse to join an FC or an LS.)
5. No, it boils down to if you join DF, be ready to cooperate with the majority, and if you dont like it you can always do your own party. Developed that way? Look how many skip options SE added/keep adding, If it was developed to be that way, skip option would not be avaiable (and no one would run it as a result, resulting in "hours to days" for the newbie que as you say, in the first place)