Are CNJ's and WHM's now DD's?

[Sensu]

If I see a healer do that in ANY dungeon, especially when people are dying from it if the Blm doesn't heal, I just kick them. "Oh it's totally doable!" But it's always less efficient than going in/out of cleric stance, and any cnj/whm staying in cleric stance when healing is just lazy. Learn to play your job right. The end.

[Cynfael]

Any Damage being dealt by a WHM is gravy and should never be required.

you play your class to heal, so if no one is eating floor you're doing your job and thats enough. If you feel comfortable enough to put out some DPS then great, I'm sure you'll help clear content 0.5 seconds faster.

Conversely, a WHM failing to assist in DPS when absolutely no healing is required is not doing their job to the fullest.

However, healing through CS is really, really lazy. Even though you technically might be able to get away with it, I see no benefit to doing so. Turning it on and off at need isn't difficult, and if full heals are pulling aggro, either you're healing too much or the tank is so consistently bad that you might as well heal tank.

[ExiaQuanta]

As others have said, IMO a WHM/CNJ should dps only IF they know how to toggle on/off Cleric Stance. Dps until u see party (or tank) is maybe about 70%-50%. Toggle off, Heal, Re-toggle.

In the case of SCH's in lower lvl dungeon. Even if you have CS on, i believe Eos still heals pretty sufficiently unless tank is doing 2+ groups

[Cynfael]

As others have said, IMO a WHM/CNJ should dps only IF they know how to toggle on/off Cleric Stance. Dps until u see party (or tank) is maybe about 70%-50%. Toggle off, Heal, Re-toggle.

In the case of SCH's in lower lvl dungeon. Even if you have CS on, i believe Eos still heals pretty sufficiently unless tank is doing 2+ groups

Eos and Selene are completely unaffected by CS and heal at full power all the time.

[Omega065]

Really healing in CS is really mana inefficient since are class works by managing are mana
I find nothing wrong with switching between CS just to add a bit of dps to the group but not forgetting that you still are the healer.

and just to add dps should never have to help out on heals if that happens that is clearly the healers fault.

[dragonfire8974]

Conversely, a WHM failing to assist in DPS when absolutely no healing is required is not doing their job to the fullest.

However, healing through CS is really, really lazy. Even though you technically might be able to get away with it, I see no benefit to doing so. Turning it on and off at need isn't difficult, and if full heals are pulling aggro, either you're healing too much or the tank is so consistently bad that you might as well heal tank.

or your full strength heals do 400hp of healing on a lvl 16 tank

[Alurwen]

What Cleric Stance does is swap your MND and INT while increasing your DMG by 10% and lowering your heals by 20%. This is very inefficient for a whm who is trying to heal with these limitations. Stoneskin is not affected by this however, so poppin a regen on the tank and then going CS and keeping up Stoneskin is the best to do imo. It's really no issue to drop CS as needed for bigger heals though. But if your party is needing to use pots and other DPS classes heal because the whm is busy with Stone and Aero... that whm is either not paying attention or just doesn't care.

Scholars though can manage to keep in CS in most situations other than perhaps heavy hitting bosses. I main SCH right now and it's pretty fun to do the heals and DPS dance but you MUST be aware of the situation at all times since sch heals are more preemptive anyway. Your fairy does a decent job on her own but if you are in CS and anyone dies, that's your fault exclusively.

[Cynfael]

or your full strength heals do 400hp of healing on a lvl 16 tank

Hence why you heal infrequently and don't attempt to keep the tank topped off at all times. If the tank is losing aggro to heals outside of a dire situation, the healer is overhealing or the tank is very bad.

[dragonfire8974]

Hence why you heal infrequently and don't attempt to keep the tank topped off at all times. If the tank is losing aggro to heals outside of a dire situation, the healer is overhealing or the tank is very bad.

I've healed that content as a thaum/blm leveling up. All the way through Haukke (though that was a stretch and I only did that once). There's really no good argument against the behavior as long as it doesn't jeopardize the healing. >ilvl70 whm still heals for about 1/2 hp of the tank even in CS. waiting until there is about 1 hit/volley from the group of monsters before healing would make me nervous as a tank/player, and if you can always land that full strength heal at that point before the volley hits great! I don't wanna wait that long. CS is the best way for me to heal so that I don't have to let the tank almost die before giving her/him a full strength heal. MP has never been a problem, even as an ilvl 20 conj in this content

Granted, healers role is to heal first, and it is indefensible to let people die because that healer wants to dps longer. But the only need to be outside of CS is if there is an unpleasant surprise, or if there are very big pulls in that low level content. even then maybe not. Haukke is on the upper edge of content that can be done without needing to stance dance, I wouldn't try it with anything higher.

EDIT: Really I just don't like it when people say "learn to play" or some other such hogwash based on this.

[MarVell]

As a 102 WHM I DPS a lot when doing low level roulette. It makes it more interesting otherwise all i do is Cure I, yawn...

But I never heal with cleric stance on. I switch it off to heal and then back on to attack. If the tank has particularly low iLevel I sometimes end up tanking some of the fights but that's fine too. I have enough vitality to deal with most low level enemies.