SP nerfed. We were lied to.

[Kensei]

In Letter from the Producer XIV Yoshi dedicated a section of it to discuss ranking up. I will quote parts of it.

Ever since I posted on the forums, we’ve been receiving feedback from players worrying about whether or not we’re going to be nerfing the ranking up process. The simple and emphatic answer to this, just as I posted in the forums, is no.

Well Yoshi it was nerfed in every single way. Killing mobs gives less SP, Behest gives less SP and it can't be done back to back, guildleves give far less SP per kill and the final bonus is pathetic. What the heck is the use of Guardians Favor? I was getting 83 SP per kill and it increased to maybe 89 SP with favor and the final bonus was unaffected. I tried for a while with a party and the best we were getting was 340 SP with mobs 10 ranks higher than us, the problem was that every 3 kills our CON needed an MP break because of the outrageous MP cost increases.

I don’t want there to be a huge loss of skill points imposed for dying, or for players to have to grind 5–6 hours a day for 8 months to get to the high ranks.

Well, Yoshi, with the current state of SP gains it may not be for 8 months but it will certainly take 6+ hours a day of mindless grinding to make progress a decent pace now from 30s onward.

I do think ranking up should take longer in MMOs than in non-MMOs, but I plan to make the process both possible and enjoyable for players willing to invest the time, even if they’re solo, and even by doing quests and guildleves.

Are you serious? You just nerfed SP gains which you said you wouldn't do, we are now forced to grind to make decent progress for hours which you also said you wouldn't do and I already discussed leves' pathetic excuse of SP. As for quests they would have been viable if there were more than 5 and it would be more enjoyable if a quest in Gridania didn't sent me to Coerthas and back for a grand total of 1,700 Skill Points. I could get much more grinding in the same amount of time it takes to make that walk.

Why was this done? Are you really thinking that slowing ranking up to a crawl will retain population? Because this sort of thing is exactly what made everyone quit. Considering the state the game was slowly recovering from I would think this was the last thing they would consider doing.

[alexi14]

I agree 100%. Progression is the only thing that keeps your players here Yoshi. It certainly isn't the "fun" aspect of it. We stay so we can progress now, and enjoy the game when it's fixed. But now we can't even progress.

[SAMINUS]

Man I couldn't even log on yesterday. now after hearing how bad things are, I kinda don't want to now.

[Abriael]

Or maybe you should try more stars or higher level leves? because you know, sane people try different things before going to complain on forums.
(this of course without even mentioning the SP given by quests, that before gave none).

SP wasn't nerfed. You're just doing it wrong, and going around calling people liars like a little drama queen doesn't help your cause.

PS: if your con needs a break every 3 mobs, then you should complain at your con. Looks like he isn't using the proper mana regen skills and he simply can't administer his mana.

[Kensei]

Or maybe you should try more stars or higher level leves? because you know, sane people try different things before going to complain on forums.

SP wasn't nerfed. You're just doing it wrong, and going around calling people liars like a little drama queen doesn't help your cause.

Yeah and some people actually read before posting dumb replies. I tried every single way of getting SP and discussed the outcome of every single one. The SP cap is 10 ranks higher and the mobs were 10+ ranks higher. Going to even tougher mobs would do nothing but get us killed or make our CON go out of MP after every kill for the same capped SP.

If you are getting the same amount of SP now as before the patch from all of those activities you must have a different version of the patch because everyone in my server was discussing this all day long. And also when someone says they won't do something and then go and do it, it is called lying.

[Abriael]

Yeah and some people actually read before posting dumb replies. I tried every single way of getting SP and discussed the outcome of every single one. The SP cap is 10 ranks higher and the mobs were 10+ ranks higher. Going to even tougher mobs would do nothing but get us killed or make our CON go out of MP after every kill for the same capped SP.

If you are getting the same amount of SP from all of those activities you must have a different version of the patch because everyone in my server was discussing this all day long. And also when someone says they won't do something and then go and do it, it is called lying.

Yeah, because you can now speak for "everyone on your server" lol.

I had no hardship making 45k sp yesterday, in little less than two hours. Yes. You're doing it wrong.

But again, if you think running around flailing your arms and calling people liars is the right way to add solidity to your alarmist posts, then it's your problem, not mine.

[alexi14]

He's rank 50. He got his SP in easy mode. I am seriously a hard core leveler. I went from p-lvl 37-50 in 1.5 weeks. I know how to rank up, and I KNOW that with this system of SP, the ONLY effective way to rank up and get consistent EXP now is solo grinding. And even then, with the raise in cure mp requirement, and low SP mobs drop, and the time it takes to kill a mob, the exp is going to be super low.

The only people who won't care are the people botting.

[Earl_Caldera]

To be fair, it's not completely gimped. Raids seem to average about 10k/run, which as a solo-player pre-patch, it's not entirely bad for me. Of course, that's probably just until you can hit the level for mass-grind parties (Assuming around 35ish?). Also, Yoshi-P and the community reps have already said that they will be adding additional stuff to allow you to rank up easier in a party, for example EXP chains. It's all a matter of waiting--a concept we're already pretty familiar with.

[Kensei]

Yeah, because you can now speak for "everyone on your server" lol.

I had no hardship making 45k sp yesterday, in little less than two hours. Yes. You're doing it wrong.

But again, if you think running around flailing your arms and calling people liars is the right way to add solidity to your alarmist posts, then it's your problem, not mine.

Ok, so you are saying SP wasn't nerfed correct? Please confirm that this what you are saying so that everyone sees what a liar you are along with Yoshi. You are one of those people who defend this game because of some blind devotion to it. See no evil right?

[Reika]

I agree too. The Sp is absolutely terrible now. Even tho he claims that leves are tailored for solo play now, before the patch I could solo them a lot faster and easier and get more sp, and the mobs were all 10 ranks above me. If i set that difficulty now I get destroyed by monsters because of healing costs and the clumsy auto attack system. 63 or so SP per kill and 1730 bonus sp for completion on raine riveries, when prior i recieved more than 5000 just soloing it, usually 20000 in a party.

I think they need to rethink the bonus and kill sp. The 'casual soloist' will take AGES to rank up to 50. not even the 3 months of playing for 2 hours a day yoshida was aiming for.