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    The person who does not understand is you.
    I told you I'm learning Japanese, not because you told me to, but to show you, hey wait, it's possible to learn a language which is entirely different from your own!
    Yes I know it's not easy, but it is possible. Learning English will maybe make things a lot easier for them if they ever leave their homeland, and a lot easier for other people who try to have fun on the same playground as them, too.
    That's the other thing you don't understand:
    I'm not saying "Oh my god! How dare they do not learn English, ignore them, bash on them, whatever!"
    What I'm trying to say is that it's basic politeness to try being able to communicate with others, even if they do not speak your native language.
    You can get by without being polite, but the other person will always feel kind of bad, and that's the reason why threads like this one are made.

    Generalization:
    It would be a generalization if I ever said that all people speaking in their native language are always like that. That's the definition of that word.
    I never did. All I said is that things like that happened to me. I described what I experienced. Where do you see a generalization?

    "Taking something for granted" means to think of certain circumstances as the norm, although they may not be the norm.
    Well, I never said it is. All I did was expressing my wish to have people around the world who all speak at least two languages: their own and English, so they con communicate with people from other countries too. It's something like..a vision of mine. What's so bad about having a dream where everyone can just talk to anyone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atoli View Post
    The person who does not understand is you.
    I told you I'm learning Japanese, not because you told me to, but to show you, hey wait, it's possible to learn a language which is entirely different from your own!
    Yes I know it's not easy, but it is possible. Learning English will maybe make things a lot easier for them if they ever leave their homeland, and a lot easier for other people who try to have fun on the same playground as them, too.
    That's the other thing you don't understand:
    I'm not saying "Oh my god! How dare they do not learn English, ignore them, bash on them, whatever!"
    What I'm trying to say is that it's basic politeness to try being able to communicate with others, even if they do not speak your native language.
    You can get by without being polite, but the other person will always feel kind of bad, and that's the reason why threads like this one are made.
    This confirms that you don't get it.

    The fact that learning any language is POSSIBLE doesn't make it mandatory or required.

    For a Japanese learning English is much harder than for a westerner. It's a simple fact.

    So you're basing your very personal (and very convenient) "rules of politeness" on something that's easy to do for you, and hard to do for them.

    Sorry mate, but etiquette doesn't have double standards.

    Btw, it would be a generalization if I ever said that all people speaking in their native language are like that.
    I never did. All I said is that things like that happened to me. I described what I experienced. Where do you see a generalization?
    The generalization is in the fact that you're trying to make it look like it was the norm. And it isn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    For a Japanese learning English is much harder than for a westerner. It's a simple fact.
    So you're basing your very personal (and very convenient) "rules of politeness" on something that's easy to do for you, and hard to do for them.
    Right, because learning an Asian language like Japanese, which is totally different from any language I've ever learned, is waaaaaay more easy for a western person like me than learning a western language like English is for them.
    You are really making sense now

    /irony off

    Suzaku is right btw.
    I don't think dividing people into national servers is going to fix anything.
    Less fun, too.
    If people just started treating each other more nicely, this "problem" would be fixed anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atoli View Post
    Right, because learning an Asian language like Japanese, which is totally different from any language I've ever learned, is waaaaaay more easy for a western person like me than learning a western language like English is for them.
    So, let me understand. You think that in order to be "polite" every westerner should learn japanese and every Japanese should learn English?

    Man your etiquette is a demanding one.

    /sarcasm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    You think that in order to be "polite" every westerner should learn japanese and every Japanese should learn English?
    No, I think everyone from every country in the world should learn English(including Japan and the countries in Europe), because it already is the most "important" language on earth, without even being the most spoken one (that would be Mandarin). For good or bad, that's how it is.
    If there were no language barrier, there would be less problems, ingame and offline.

    I can't force people to learn it, but it would be great if they did.
    I'll stop talking to you now because you don't even try to read what I write and just try to provoke me with sarcastic comments which have nothing to do with what I said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atoli View Post
    No, I think everyone from every country in the world should learn English, because it already is the most "important" language on earth, without even being the most spoken one (that would be Mandarin). For good or bad, that's how it is.
    If there were no language barrier, there would be less problems, ingame and offline.

    I can't force people to learn it, but it would be great if they did.
    I'll stop talking to you now because you don't even try to read what I write and just try to provoke me with sarcastic comments which have nothing to do with what I said.
    So I was actually right the first time. Thanks for clarifying.

    According to your very convenient etiquette standards Americans and English can be polite just by speaking their own language.
    Westerners can be polite by learning a language similar to theirs, and as such pretty easy.
    Japanese to be polite have to learn a language completely different from theirs, which is a remarkably hard task.

    So your stanard of "politeness" involves something easy for you and hard for them. Exactly as I said before.

    Yep. Very convenient, and completely nonsensical.
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    Obviously it's the most convient for people whose native language already is English.
    Blame it on the fact they were good conquerors in the past or whatever, that's how the world today is, you can't change it.
    Even in Asian countries, if you want to get really far in politics or economy, you already have to learn English, because we live in an international world, and the main international language is English, no matter if you like it or not or if it's easy for you to learn or not. It's an official decision which won't be changed until something really big maybe happens one day.
    So I just wish people would hurry up and learn it, so we don't have to be sad or at least unhappy about things caused by language barriers, like this thread.
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