Is BLM truly simple?

[SeraviEdalborez]

lol @ Summoner being bad on T8. Summoner can easily dish out 440-450 DPS if you have a decent enough bard. Granted, BLM is still better on T8 since a good BLM can do 460-500 DPS there but Summoner is by no means "bad" on T8.

Still, a career caster will have both leveled and thus there is no huge benefit to bringing SMN over BLM if you have the option of being both (except maybe having another Raise as SMN which is a more subjective benefit).

[Mister-Wonderful]

Still, a career caster will have both leveled and thus there is no huge benefit to bringing SMN over BLM if you have the option of being both (except maybe having another Raise as SMN which is a more subjective benefit).

Not to mention SMN can do a lot of this damage while moving, BLM has to manage when they move a lot more to maintain that dps.

[SeraviEdalborez]

Not to mention SMN can do a lot of this damage while moving, BLM has to manage when they move a lot more to maintain that dps.

Good BLMs don't have problems with movement. It's not as big of a deal as people make it out to be.

SMN has to work a lot harder to get the same or slightly less DPS than BLM on most turns, and on T8 SMN has to deal with a limited resource (MP) where BLM does not.

[OneWingedSora]

Yeah, no. my SMN does 430 on T6 and 400 on T9 including downtime. I have yet to see a BLM pull those numbers. And T7 is pretty obvious since a good SMN will always outdps a BLM on the same level. There are too many adds that can be multi-dotted there. Not to mention your DoTs will be doing damage everytime you get a shriek or voice.

[Adamantium]

Yeah, no. my SMN does 430 on T6 and 400 on T9 including downtime. I have yet to see a BLM pull those numbers. And T7 is pretty obvious since a good SMN will always outdps a BLM on the same level. There are too many adds that can be multi-dotted there. Not to mention your DoTs will be doing damage everytime you get a shriek or voice.

I pull between 430-460 on Turn 6 depending on Foe Requiem uptime and mechanics given to me.
Turn 7 isn't a DPS race unless your group is under-geared this late into the content.
Good BLMs are pulling 450+ on Turn 8 consistently. I think my highest is 470.
Turn 9 is slightly better for SMN due to the last phase, but it's not that big of a difference. I pull 350-360 consistently considering I have to mark divebomb locations and move.

Maybe you just need to find better BLMs.

[OneWingedSora]

Maybe you just need to find better BLMs.

I use BLM and the highest I did on T6 was 424 with one bard that only does foes at the start. And the Highest on T9 was 380. Summoner is still better in all of the T9 phases bar the first one. I guess If you triple flare the add+boss on heavens fall then it's 50/50 but we use mage LB so our BLM can only get one flare off on that part since I just use a Raging strikes+x int pot boosted bane and a spur+rouse buffed enkindle and then immediately LB.

And I never said Turn 7 was a DPS race, I just said Summoner will always outdps BLM there assuming equal skill level, which it does.

[Jican]

For those that are compairing Smn to BLm, just stop. The only things they have in common is the fact they cast, and do damage, otherwise, it's a completely different beast all together. Blm is burst damage, Smn is Damage over Time, with a single burst move that really doesn't hold a candle to a single three astral fire firestarter proc. Smn is also situational, you wouldn't want to a bunch of Smn's in a party during fights that have phases that have a DPS check, you'll lose every time. The only reason Smn push such high numbers is because any half competent at their job Smn will have their dots up at least 85% of the time and a pet that constantly attacks, even if you micro your pet or not.

[Havenchild]

I use BLM and the highest I did on T6 was 424 with one bard that only does foes at the start. And the Highest on T9 was 380. Summoner is still better in all of the T9 phases bar the first one. I guess If you triple flare the add+boss on heavens fall then it's 50/50 but we use mage LB so our BLM can only get one flare off on that part since I just use a Raging strikes+x int pot boosted bane and a spur+rouse buffed enkindle and then immediately LB.

Won't lie, I've yet to see a BLM beat me in any phase on SMN in T9 and I've run with some of the best. SMN can dominate over every class in every single phase on T9.

[Adamantium]

I use BLM and the highest I did on T6 was 424 with one bard that only does foes at the start. And the Highest on T9 was 380. Summoner is still better in all of the T9 phases bar the first one. I guess If you triple flare the add+boss on heavens fall then it's 50/50 but we use mage LB so our BLM can only get one flare off on that part since I just use a Raging strikes+x int pot boosted bane and a spur+rouse buffed enkindle and then immediately LB.

And I never said Turn 7 was a DPS race, I just said Summoner will always outdps BLM there assuming equal skill level, which it does.

Fair enough. Just wanted to say that it's definitely possible for BLMs to pull numbers similar to the ones you stated. I get to double flare the add and boss before LBing on T9 since I'm the only caster in our group, but that's pretty much offset by the subsequent 8-second Limit break and the fact that I have to mark in between GCDs.

[Samano]

I use BLM and the highest I did on T6 was 424 with one bard that only does foes at the start. And the Highest on T9 was 380. Summoner is still better in all of the T9 phases bar the first one. I guess If you triple flare the add+boss on heavens fall then it's 50/50 but we use mage LB so our BLM can only get one flare off on that part since I just use a Raging strikes+x int pot boosted bane and a spur+rouse buffed enkindle and then immediately LB.

And I never said Turn 7 was a DPS race, I just said Summoner will always outdps BLM there assuming equal skill level, which it does.

well for a perspective since I play both BLM and SMN:

For both of these we used zerg boss method, as you can see we dont kill any slug at all.
T6 BLM w/ 115 weapon: http://i.imgur.com/QTvhPqO.png
T6 SMN w/ 115 weapon: http://i.imgur.com/kP6aVb7.png <------- for the record i've seen other people parse even higher.