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    Leonus's Avatar
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    Kenrir Amnis
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    Sargatanas
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    I laugh at the blm mains, that laugh at the melee mains and say melee is easier and then state their reason why (less down time lol).

    Mostly because, a statement could also be made about why blm is or playing ranged in general is easier (maybe bar smn)
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    Blueyes's Avatar
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    Blue Plenilune
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    Diabolos
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    Blue Mage Lv 80
    Speaking from the perspective of a healer who rarely takes up the damage dealer role, Black Mage is definitely one of the easier jobs to pick up. In comparison to Summoner, the other day I decided to play around with it a bit and was quickly overwhelmed. I'm not entirely sure if Bard could be considered better or worse than Black Mage. Bard has a considerably high number of off cool down abilities that need to be managed, but as long as you can do that comfortably the play style becomes quite fluid. I actually find it interesting that you mention Monk as a complicated job. Personally I feel like Monk falls into a steady rotation fairly easily. They require some dancing around to maximize damage output, but the combos themselves aren't particularly complicated.

    I notice I didn't actually talk much about Black Mage. To me Black Mage almost plays like a mind game. It is true that Black Mage has somewhat of a reactive nature. You often can't just sit there and do your rotation expecting everything to go fine and dandy. You will have to make heat of the moment decisions. You may look back and ask yourself if you could have or should have reacted differently. I feel like these are things that affect Black Mage more so than any other job which can lead to beginners second guessing themselves a lot. To master Black Mage it not only takes skill and experience, but confidence as well.
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    Jican Marquees
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    Ultros
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    Botanist Lv 90
    I don't disagree that Blm is easy to pick up. I personally don't find any job hard to "pick up" but mastering is a completely different thing. We are absolutely reactive in almost everything we do. Dealing with Firestarter procs during our astral phase, dealing with it at the end, dealing with our thundercloud procs throughout both phases, dealing with WHEN we tick our umbral phase, moving, scathing, AoEing. Everything we do is reactional, even when the rng gods bless us and we can turret our spells without moving, we are always prepairing for the unexpected. I personally find Smn fairly easy to maximize, and as a main Blm, I can't really compair Blm and Smn together because of how differently they play. I'm not knocking anyone else who's views are different IF they have experience in all the fields they are talking about, but I have no patience for people who want to talk crap about a job they don't at LEAST have to 50. Blm and Smn don't even open up till 50, hell, all jobs don't open up until 50.
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    Kenrir Amnis
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    Sargatanas
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    Thing is though, just because you have a job at 50, doesn't mean you actually know how to play it.
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    Samano's Avatar
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    Heart Underblade
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    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    I play both BLM and SMN (cleared 20+ T9s combined with my alt who is also BLM/SMN) , and I gotta say for turn9 SMN takes substantially less work to achieve high dps compared to BLM, but BLM if played perfectly will out DPS SMN just because of BLM raw single target DPS potential alone. That being said, throughout the whole fight unmerged and me doing LB3 everytime, my BLM and SMN both average about 345 DPS, with my SMN highest DPS record being 350+ and BLM highest 360+.

    Most of the fights in coil SMN and BLM are both very competitive, with the exception of T8 where BLM will always win because of the shear single target DPS/MP sustainability difference.
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    Last edited by Samano; 10-03-2014 at 01:53 AM.

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    Harold Saxon
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    Odin
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    Thaumaturge Lv 90
    IIT: People who are bad with their mains complaining that BLM are overpowered.

    With situations equal (i.e. RNG/skill/gear/same amount of buff's/songs etc), there isn't any reason a Monk or Summoner should be outdps'ed by a BLM in Second Coil Boss fight or Ramuh.
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    OneWingedSora's Avatar
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    Mala Liath
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    Balmung
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    Black Mage Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon View Post
    IIT: People who are bad with their mains complaining that BLM are overpowered.

    With situations equal (i.e. RNG/skill/gear/same amount of buff's/songs etc), there isn't any reason a Monk or Summoner should be outdps'ed by a BLM in Second Coil Boss fight or Ramuh.
    Except for the fact that a BLM will always outdps SMN on T8 assuming equal skill level.

    Most I did on T8 with SMN was 440 with I110 weapon and one bard that sings foes only at the start(And I have been told that's the highest on the server) while BLM can easily push 470-500.
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    Last edited by OneWingedSora; 10-03-2014 at 03:08 AM.

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    Zechs Merquise
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    Ragnarok
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by OneWingedSora View Post
    Most I did on T8 with SMN was 440 with I110 weapon and one bard that sings foes only at the start(And I have been told that's the highest on the server) while BLM can easily push 470-500.
    lol at this, are we truly to believe that this unknown person you speak of knows the dps of every smn who has ever killed t8 on your server....

    The amount of boasting that gets thrown around on these forums over what dps ppl can do on turns with certain classes is laughable! Soo much bull honkey being talked by soo many ppl about their leet dps.
    And it is obv a blatant lie to stroke their own epeen.....

    To the OP, blm rotation is simple(sort of) but its not as simple as ppl make out to play well. Play bard, its the simplest easiest dps job to play by a mile, and ppl don't even expect much from it either other than playing songs at the right time and holding down moderate dps for ur job.
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    OneWingedSora's Avatar
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    Mala Liath
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    Balmung
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    Black Mage Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by ZechsRaganrock View Post
    lol at this, are we truly to believe that this unknown person you speak of knows the dps of every smn who has ever killed t8 on your server....

    The amount of boasting that gets thrown around on these forums over what dps ppl can do on turns with certain classes is laughable! Soo much bull honkey being talked by soo many ppl about their leet dps.
    And it is obv a blatant lie to stroke their own epeen.....

    To the OP, blm rotation is simple(sort of) but its not as simple as ppl make out to play well. Play bard, its the simplest easiest dps job to play by a mile, and ppl don't even expect much from it either other than playing songs at the right time and holding down moderate dps for ur job.
    Show me a pars of a SMN doing higher with an I110 weapon and Foes Requiem only at the start.

    And no, obviously they weren't talking about EVERY SMN that beat T8, only the ones that matter.
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    Dyne_Fellpool's Avatar
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    Dyne Fellpool
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    Goblin
    Main Class
    Archer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by OneWingedSora View Post
    And no, obviously they weren't talking about EVERY SMN that beat T8, only the ones that matter.
    I laugh everytime I see someone say "that matters" when talking about a video game. "In content that matters", "In guilds that matter", "on bosses that matter", -- lmao.
    Its a video game! Nothing truly matters, except having fun! You really ought to say "only the ones that I personally care about" instead. Thats what you really mean. You can act like the stuff you care about is all "that matters" but in reality some lvl15 player's glamour gear "matters" every bit as much as your T9 kill. Because its just pixels on a screen, and they are just having fun playing a video game.
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