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    sackm's Avatar
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    Blind Guardian
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    My main is SMN. Did Turn 8 for the first time as a BLM, did more DPS (431) than my SMN (usually 400-420). Granted SMN is pretty bad on T8 its just depressing putting WAY more work into it conserving mp etc and i can faceroll on BLM and do more damage
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    Mala Liath
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    Balmung
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    Black Mage Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by sackm View Post
    My main is SMN. Did Turn 8 for the first time as a BLM, did more DPS (431) than my SMN (usually 400-420). Granted SMN is pretty bad on T8 its just depressing putting WAY more work into it conserving mp etc and i can faceroll on BLM and do more damage
    lol @ Summoner being bad on T8. Summoner can easily dish out 440-450 DPS if you have a decent enough bard. Granted, BLM is still better on T8 since a good BLM can do 460-500 DPS there but Summoner is by no means "bad" on T8.
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    Seravi Edalborez
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    Hyperion
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by OneWingedSora View Post
    lol @ Summoner being bad on T8. Summoner can easily dish out 440-450 DPS if you have a decent enough bard. Granted, BLM is still better on T8 since a good BLM can do 460-500 DPS there but Summoner is by no means "bad" on T8.
    Still, a career caster will have both leveled and thus there is no huge benefit to bringing SMN over BLM if you have the option of being both (except maybe having another Raise as SMN which is a more subjective benefit).
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    Mister Wonderful
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    Excalibur
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez View Post
    Still, a career caster will have both leveled and thus there is no huge benefit to bringing SMN over BLM if you have the option of being both (except maybe having another Raise as SMN which is a more subjective benefit).
    Not to mention SMN can do a lot of this damage while moving, BLM has to manage when they move a lot more to maintain that dps.
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    Seravi Edalborez
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister-Wonderful View Post
    Not to mention SMN can do a lot of this damage while moving, BLM has to manage when they move a lot more to maintain that dps.
    Good BLMs don't have problems with movement. It's not as big of a deal as people make it out to be.

    SMN has to work a lot harder to get the same or slightly less DPS than BLM on most turns, and on T8 SMN has to deal with a limited resource (MP) where BLM does not.
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    OneWingedSora's Avatar
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    Black Mage Lv 60
    Yeah, no. my SMN does 430 on T6 and 400 on T9 including downtime. I have yet to see a BLM pull those numbers. And T7 is pretty obvious since a good SMN will always outdps a BLM on the same level. There are too many adds that can be multi-dotted there. Not to mention your DoTs will be doing damage everytime you get a shriek or voice.
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    Adamant Ackerman
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    Leviathan
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    Thaumaturge Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by OneWingedSora View Post
    Yeah, no. my SMN does 430 on T6 and 400 on T9 including downtime. I have yet to see a BLM pull those numbers. And T7 is pretty obvious since a good SMN will always outdps a BLM on the same level. There are too many adds that can be multi-dotted there. Not to mention your DoTs will be doing damage everytime you get a shriek or voice.
    I pull between 430-460 on Turn 6 depending on Foe Requiem uptime and mechanics given to me.
    Turn 7 isn't a DPS race unless your group is under-geared this late into the content.
    Good BLMs are pulling 450+ on Turn 8 consistently. I think my highest is 470.
    Turn 9 is slightly better for SMN due to the last phase, but it's not that big of a difference. I pull 350-360 consistently considering I have to mark divebomb locations and move.

    Maybe you just need to find better BLMs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez View Post
    Good BLMs don't have problems with movement. It's not as big of a deal as people make it out to be.

    SMN has to work a lot harder to get the same or slightly less DPS than BLM on most turns, and on T8 SMN has to deal with a limited resource (MP) where BLM does not.
    This is a given. Blm still has to manage how and when they move, if there is movement. Even in movement heavy fights I do excellent DPS because I know how to play the job, when movement may be required of me, and how to react to it while still doing damage.

    I don't find SMN any harder at all, its a rotation just like any other job, keep the dot's up. I have done SMN and BLM in all turns (Only doing blm lately due to nexus things, used to only use it in t8) And the resource is hardly limited when you have shorter and shorter fights, occasional ballad for the healers, and MP pots on backup.
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