Atma thread #736,238 (No triggers in this one I promise)

[Lord_Zlatan]

The lore behind atmas is that they are the souls of enemies that were slain by the enemies of light. We, in turn, take the crystalized form of the enemies soul and imbue it into our weapon. While I understand that there is more "variety" by making it zone/fate based (read: monotony), do you really think the warriors of light were slaying Aurielas and hedge moles? They were legendary heroes that were apparently going around defeating "legendary" (read: silly) enemies in the form of lv3 enemies.

My suggestion originally was to make atmas drop off of bosses but that is being done everywhere in game and I actually like that atmas get u out into the world. So, I propose that atmas get dropped by S ranks, 100% of the time, IF you get full credit. When you get your first atma, you receive no seals, no myth, no sold. only the atma. What do you think?

I think that it still gets people out into the zones and out of just queuing for instances... you can still farm fates if you want to but you can also (in between dry farming spells) work on popping S ranks for a guaranteed atma.

Thoughts?

EDIT // : It also fits the lore much better. S Ranks are certainly more legendary than Lvl 30 mobs, and are a more appropriate foe for the heroes of light. I understand already that people are going to site all of the claiming issues and such with the hunt in general but heres the deal, atma sucks as it is (got mine in 5 days, working on second set for 3 months but I also don't really care about them anymore). This method will provide a guaranteed way for people to get them if they are actively pursuing them. Most people (and I think you are lying if you say otherwise) that have been working on atmas since they launched are probably at least 5/12 by now. I don't think 7 different S ranks is too impossible of a task to achieve.

[Amberion]

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You are also a pretty much a legendary character in the game. And just check what you have had to do.

[Ooshima]

The lore behind atmas is that they are the souls of enemies that were slain by the enemies of light. We, in turn, take the crystalized form of the enemies soul and imbue it into our weapon. While I understand that there is more "variety" by making it zone/fate based (read: monotony), do you really think the warriors of light were slaying Aurielas and hedge moles? They were legendary heroes that were apparently going around defeating "legendary" (read: silly) enemies in the form of lv3 enemies.

How about...

Defeating the following enemies will guarantee a drop of an Atma

Absolute Virtue of the Maiden
Absolute Virtue of the Scorpion
Absolute Virtue of the Water-bearer
Absolute Virtue of the Goat
Absolute Virtue of the Bull
Absolute Virtue of the Ram
Absolute Virtue of the Twins
Absolute Virtue of the Lion
Absolute Virtue of the Fish
Absolute Virtue of the Archer
Absolute Virtue of the Scales
Absolute Virtue of the Crab


Now we have made Atma damn interesting and requires skill to get. Win-win, profit?

[Lord_Zlatan]

not sure if being snarky...

For the record, perhaps in this thread or another, I don't really believe peoples horror stories about atmas. Like I said I got my first set in 5 days, second set has taken near 3 months, with me giving up at some point... Ill resume when I feel up to it.

The point about atma for most people is that every other step in the relic quest allows you to net some kind of progress with a guarantee... all of the HM primals, while very hard at the time, 100% drop their infusion items. Animus: you know how much myth you need, enemies, you need to kill and it is all quite literally spelled out for you in a book. Novus: your guaranteed 1 alexandrite a day barring you can solo the enemies within the coffer.

Atma doesn't offer you any kind of guarantee whatsoever. I am not calling for absolute virtue/pandaemonium warden of the whatever to drop atmas. What I'm calling for is a retooling of a system that SE has put in place (go out in the open world and slay enemies that were worthy of the warriors of light). Just like alexandrite, you can get a guaranteed one from an S rank, or you can farm fates all you want. at least you will know that at the end of the day, when the S rank gets called on your hunt LS, you will get your atma.

Also, Ooshima, tying in AV/PW would insinuate that S ranks are hard... is that really what you are saying?

[Ooshima]

For the record, perhaps in this thread or another, I don't really believe peoples horror stories about atmas. Like I said I got my first set in 5 days, second set has taken near 3 months, with me giving up at some point... Ill resume when I feel up to it.

The point about atma for most people is that every other step in the relic quest allows you to net some kind of progress with a guarantee... all of the HM primals, while very hard at the time, 100% drop their infusion items. Animus: you know how much myth you need, enemies, you need to kill and it is all quite literally spelled out for you in a book. Novus: your guaranteed 1 alexandrite a day barring you can solo the enemies within the coffer.

Atma doesn't offer you any kind of guarantee whatsoever. I am not calling for absolute virtue/pandaemonium warden of the whatever to drop atmas. What I'm calling for is a retooling of a system that SE has put in place (go out in the open world and slay enemies that were worthy of the warriors of light). Just like alexandrite, you can get a guaranteed one from an S rank, or you can farm fates all you want. at least you will know that at the end of the day, when the S rank gets called on your hunt LS, you will get your atma.

Also, Ooshima, tying in AV/PW would insinuate that S ranks are hard... is that really what you are saying?

Horror stories about Atmas does exist but the truth is that they remain a minority of the total, despite all the rants you hear on forums/reddit - because the vocal ones are the affected ones. Most of the people I know in game face average RNG with regards to Atma.

My response to you earlier, while with some sarcasm inside, wasn't exactly targeting at you or anyone specific. Of course it wasn't entirely meant to be a joke either - I do agree that the lore and the activities asked of us is a mismatch - the idea of obtaining souls of the fallen enemies slain by the legendary twelves... but we are slaying trash mobs under our level cap is kind of rubbish.

At the same time, you hear complaints about how Relic is a side quest thing without a challenge and just mindless grinding if easy content. True enough. S ranks aren't even tough. You can give it +HP 1000% and +dmg 1000% and it will still be zerg'd down, just in larger numbers (whether server will crash or not is another issue).

If want people want of the quest to be lesser RNG and with some challenge, then maybe some HNMs type battle would meet their taste? Make it non server-zerg-able - it must be claimed by an alliance of 24 and once claimed, only the alliance can battle it, just like levelquests. But it will not be any easy battle (and thus I quote Absolute Virtue - because the time people spend battling it before the nerf is as good as the horror stories of the time people grinded per atma) because it would guarantee an Atma drop.

Then your more casual players who are the majority source of income for SE will cry.

At the end, there is no one solution that fit all. You would probably always end up with a solution that would fit the majority but there would be a group of minority seemed handicapped.

[SDaemon]

Horror stories about Atmas does exist but the truth is that they remain a minority of the total

A majority or minority cannot be determined because not everyone is being vocal about the issue. Atma horror stories exist because of the system in place.

[Ooshima]

A majority or minority cannot be determined because not everyone is being vocal about the issue. Atma horror stories exist because of the system in place.

Human nature tells you who are the vocal ones.

People who tend to be vocal about racial discrimination are ones who are the subject of discrimination
People who are vocal about income disparity tends to be those who are of lower to middle income

So on and so forth. People who tend to do well are satisfied and thus, no reason to "complain" - same goes to Atma. You only hear people keep repeating how tough Atma is - have you seen daily threads with different people saying how normal Atma is, or even daily threads complain how easy Atma is obtainable?

[DoubleEcho]

Let me help you a bit with this. I'm one of those who have done hundreds of FATEs (with Zenith equipped yes) and have yet to obtain a single Atma. And why haven't I posted until before? Because seemingly every person who lodges a complaint is called lazy or told that they are just not doing it right, or their experience is the exception and not the norm.

Perhaps, like me, people don't want to post about it because they've given up on the Atma grind and/or they don't feel like arguing with someone who believes that since they got their Atma everything is just fine and it should work that way for everyone.

[SDaemon]

Human nature tells you who are the vocal ones.

People who tend to be vocal about racial discrimination are ones who are the subject of discrimination
People who are vocal about income disparity tends to be those who are of lower to middle income

So on and so forth. People who tend to do well are satisfied and thus, no reason to "complain" - same goes to Atma. You only hear people keep repeating how tough Atma is - have you seen daily threads with different people saying how normal Atma is, or even daily threads complain how easy Atma is obtainable?

If that is what you wish to believe. It remains though that not everyone in the game, whether they have a disdain for atma or not, uses the forums.