Atma thread #736,238 (No triggers in this one I promise)

[Darki]

There are many atma threads popping up lately and I wanted to share some insight into the subject. I love FFXIV as well as the Final Fantasy franchise (yes even the 13s.) all Final Fantasy games have what I like to call "branches." Paths less traveled. It's what give the games that exploration feel to them. Some of these games have so many of them that to explore them all would take too much of my life away in order for me to explore them all. Granted that doesn't mean I have to explore them all, I would just very much like to.

My point? Some players have desired to explore every aspect of a Final Fantasy game out of addiction which has led to some very bad results:

http://www.destructoid.com/final-fan...at-99391.phtml

...Yea. SE took a lot of heat from a lot of people for this. Some of you who have played ffxi probably remember this incident. The boss the article is referring to was virtually ignored by 99.9% of the player community because of the comically ridiculous amount of so-called "dedication" it took to defeat the boss. But a small group was so addicted to getting the super rare drops, that it took a toll on their real life health.

Now granted, atmas don't require that a player sit down in front of a monitor for 18 hours non-stop to acquire, but they are such a low drop rate in the eyes of many players, that many players don't bother going after them because real life doesn't allow for it. This results in content that developers put time and effort into crating, just for players to ignore it. After all, there are weapons that rival the relic path weapons that are much faster to get.

To me it seems that the question shouldn't be "Is the drop rate too low/high?" I think that real question should be "What would make it fun for everyone?" My solution (and feel free to disagree with me) is tweak the atma drop system in such a way that friends can help eachother improve their chances. It's what I did for my FC when I became the first to finish T5 of binding coil. I took that knowledge of T5 and helped them finish it themselves. Please share your thoughts.

[polyhedral]

I wonder if moon phases effect it.

[Ooshima]

In before people calling for Absolute Virtue alike fights for Final Coil.

On another side note, your ending says you helped your FC with knowledge (that you cleared T5), but Atma requires nothing but luck, lol.

[Destinova]

In before people calling for Absolute Virtue alike fights for Final Coil.

On another side note, your ending says you helped your FC with knowledge (that you cleared T5), but Atma requires nothing but luck, lol.

Awesome Idea you have there!!!!

[Fornix]

To me it seems that the question shouldn't be "Is the drop rate too low/high?" I think that real question should be "What would make it fun for everyone?" My solution (and feel free to disagree with me) is tweak the atma drop system in such a way that friends can help eachother improve their chances. It's what I did for my FC when I became the first to finish T5 of binding coil. I took that knowledge of T5 and helped them finish it themselves. Please share your thoughts.

Friends can help each other, grouping up helps making the FATEs go down faster in less populated zones. And although I completed the ATMA grind myself, I don't think it's just a matter of the drop rate being too low. Or the fact that it involves FATEs. But rather what I dislike is that it involves FATEs in such a meaningless fashion with a low droprate to make you spend so many hours in such an unproductive fashion.

If they would just remove the requirement to wear your relic weapon during the FATEs, it'd already be a massive improvement. That way you can play through the FATEs on other classes and level up whilst you obtain ATMAs at the same time.

[Dashuto]

I never want a repeat of Absolute Virtue or Pande Warden ever again.

NEVER.

I did both. I am sure even FFXI veterans here who are "hardcore" would never want content like this again.

At least content like that was usually Tanaka-esque. I don't believe Yoshi would do such a thing to us directly.

[BobbinT]

I never want a repeat of Absolute Virtue or Pande Warden ever again.

NEVER.

I did both. I am sure even FFXI veterans here who are "hardcore" would never want content like this again.

At least content like that was usually Tanaka-esque. I don't believe Yoshi would do such a thing to us directly.

but... but... I never got the chance to do them. So hard finding ppl who wanna do old content anymore... ^^;

Oh... and back when Adoulin was newly released, the Wildkeeper Reive content took days to beat. I joined it quite late and it took 15 hours to beat. Fell asleep around 95% of NM's health and woke up 6 hours later in 80% health I think. lol

Later on, I just wait in town until someone shouting WKR health below 50%, then I join. lol

They are currently beatable in 1-3 hours now though, but in jp prime most of the time. Haven't test the non jp prime yet. lol

[Synestr]

I got sick in my stomach a lil just thinking about those two ....

[Someguy]

Ironically I think if you have the atma the chances of getting one of the same kind are increased. I tend to help out FC mates who are atma hunting and it's comical how I can get them while they never see a drop. I don't know if it's wise telling them I get them or if it just pisses them off. Heh.

Anyway.

I really don't mind atma; in fact, I enjoy doing em. I guess it all depends on how one looks at it.

[Darki]

In before people calling for Absolute Virtue alike fights for Final Coil.

On another side note, your ending says you helped your FC with knowledge (that you cleared T5), but Atma requires nothing but luck, lol.

Indeed. I don't like luck systems myself (RNG) which is why I would like to see something teamwork related that can be added as an alternative to solo FATE grinding

If they would just remove the requirement to wear your relic weapon during the FATEs, it'd already be a massive improvement. That way you can play through the FATEs on other classes and level up whilst you obtain ATMAs at the same time.

Oh! I didn't even think of that! if SE would add some kind of atma trade-in system with your idea like they have with the 5>1 matria trade in thing, that would make it perfect! Would you mind if I floated this idea if I credit you?