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    Player Shioban's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Souljacker View Post
    The elitism is strong in this game...

    I am a big fan of what Blizzard did with tiered raiding. Elitists still have their hard modes, and casual folks can enjoy the story. It doesn't have to be a dropless run, but the ilevel can be a lot lower than the normal and hard modes drop. It works great over there. Don't add echo buffs to normals and hards. Just have a duty finder tiered difficulty level that pugs can reasonably be expected to get through.

    Another case of something SE could learn from what other developers have already been through.
    That's the thing, the troubles most people are having here are basic mechanics, or that they simply don't have enough time to learn the mechanics.
    People who can't dodge, silence or follow the basic flow of the fight can be fixed over time, but some people don't want to wait.
    As for the ones who don't have enough time, there's no real remedy for that besides stripping the fight bare and making it a zerg-fest like CT.

    They'd have to completely redesign the fight in order to accommodate this.

    That's why it would be a nightmare for them to currently focus on, which is why they're not doing it just yet but are simply planning it for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shioban View Post
    That's the thing, the troubles most people are having here are basic mechanics, or that they simply don't have enough time to learn the mechanics.
    People who can't dodge, silence or follow the basic flow of the fight can be fixed over time, but some people don't want to wait.
    As for the ones who don't have enough time, there's no real remedy for that besides stripping the fight bare and making it a zerg-fest like CT.

    They'd have to completely redesign the fight in order to accommodate this.

    That's why it would be a nightmare for them to currently focus on, which is why they're not doing it just yet but are simply planning it for now.
    T5 as an example :

    get rid of twister, make DS not apply the heal debuff, reduce the damage of fireball by 1/3rd. story version that should take about less time than new dubbed down mechanics to create and really low investment on players to clear to enjoy the story. Would even be possible to make it for 2.4 to give access to all to SCoB when TCoB comes if needed

    (inb4 the flame : this is obviously overly exagerated )

    Quote Originally Posted by Audacity View Post
    I'm going to call it now by saying even if you implemented those changes. People would still complain that it's too hard.
    idk, to me it sounds like a long version of an Ex primal :
    => rushes (dives)
    => fireballs that hurt
    => minor adds dps check (conflag with echo eased y the fireball change, DK, snakes. Could nerf snakes as well)
    => minor big hits (DS nerfed)
    => ONE OH-KO (the wall)
    => an enrage

    Quote Originally Posted by Taruinatho View Post
    That's what youtube is for.
    "do me a favor and watch all CS of the next game you like instead of buying it to enjoy it yourself". That's about how idiotic you sound

    Quote Originally Posted by Phafi View Post
    pls nintendo, make it so goombas don't kill me when i forget to jump.
    point ?
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    Last edited by Kuwagami; 09-30-2014 at 06:48 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuwagami View Post
    T5 as an example :

    get rid of twister, make DS not apply the heal debuff, reduce the damage of fireball by 1/3rd. story version that should take about less time than new dubbed down mechanics to create and really low investment on players to clear to enjoy the story. Would even be possible to make it for 2.4 to give access to all to SCoB when TCoB comes if needed

    (inb4 the flame : this is obviously overly exagerated )
    I'm going to call it now by saying even if you implemented those changes. People would still complain that it's too hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuwagami View Post
    "do me a favor and watch all CS of the next game you like instead of buying it to enjoy it yourself". That's about how idiotic you sound
    pls nintendo, make it so goombas don't kill me when i forget to jump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phafi View Post
    pls nintendo, make it so goombas don't kill me when i forget to jump.
    Elitists would tell you that you should've grabbed the star well before you can reasonably access it.
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