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    Quote Originally Posted by Hali View Post
    Content in general is content. I'm not asking for specific content catered towards myself, unlike yourself.
    Also, I don't see what you're trying to get at here. Savage Coil was added in as something that was ALREADY DEVELOPED.
    and likely took about as much resource as a story mode coil would take. SE developed a separate version of an existing raid for a specific population of players. That's what the OP is asking for. When they did it for raiders, it was fine and dandy. When it's suggested for non-raiders, suddenly the sky is falling.

    Basic observation skills.
    See my comment above. I've seen plenty of people give up on T5, much less on T6-9.

    Please actually read what I'm saying. I haven't asked for any content tailored for my play style.
    No, you're asking for someone's request that isn't for you not be developed. Totally different right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teryaani View Post
    and likely took about as much resource as a story mode coil would take. SE developed a separate version of an existing raid for a specific population of players. That's what the OP is asking for. When they did it for raiders, it was fine and dandy. When it's suggested for non-raiders, suddenly the sky is falling.
    Go and actually read about how Savage Coil was created. Seriously. Anyone who watched the live letter talking about Savage Coil and read the dev blogs about it are laughing at your incompetence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Teryaani View Post
    See my comment above. I've seen plenty of people give up on T5, much less on T6-9.
    I'll let the census do the speaking when that comes out. For now though, we'll agree to disagree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Teryaani View Post
    No, you're asking for someone's request that isn't for you not be developed. Totally different right?
    Yeah, it is actually.
    "Keep focusing on your job guys. We want NEW CONTENT that isn't a complete rehash or dumbed down version of something already in existence!"
    As opposed to, "Please go back and redevelop this fight because I can't do it, and I have proof that others can't do it too!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Teryaani View Post
    That refers to you right? Because from what I see, he's getting the point.
    But you're all missing the point of why people don't want devs to pander to your wants.

    I missed it earlier, is 'Hardcore Raider' the new "insult" for people who clear coil? If so, just wow. Please guys, I can only take so many side breaking laughs a day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hali View Post
    But you're all missing the point of why people don't want devs to pander to your wants.
    I love the plural to singular game. Let me try. You're missing the players around you clamoring for this content. This doesn't affect you one whit and yet you're pissing and moaning about it.

    I missed it earlier, is 'Hardcore Raider' the new "insult" for people who clear coil? If so, just wow. Please guys, I can only take so many side breaking laughs a day.
    Buh? Hardcore raider is an insult? If you're getting side breaking laughs, they're from your own delusions. There was no insult in there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teryaani View Post
    I love the plural to singular game. Let me try. You're missing the players around you clamoring for this content. This doesn't affect you one whit and yet you're pissing and moaning about it.
    Stopping current development cycle to start a project for year old content that will get annihilated with new gear coming out in 2.4. Yes, totally doesn't effect the content coming to the game.


    Quote Originally Posted by Teryaani View Post
    Buh? Hardcore raider is an insult? If you're getting side breaking laughs, they're from your own delusions. There was no insult in there.
    So you wont mind if I call everyone who hasn't beaten T5 a casual then? Sounds good to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hali View Post
    So you wont mind if I call everyone who hasn't beaten T5 a casual then? Sounds good to me.
    Actually, Casual isn't bad. As long as there aren't any additional adjectives (I've seen "filthy" used too often), I'm fine with the term.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hali View Post
    Stopping current development cycle to start a project for year old content that will get annihilated with new gear coming out in 2.4. Yes, totally doesn't effect the content coming to the game.
    I (and many others I bet) would appreciate if you stop calling development on something that already exists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moqi View Post
    Not that I'd cry over it. Point was, story mode would probably be enjoyed by more people than Coil 3, so it'd be hardly a waste of time for those 4 noobs who can't clear it yet like some are trying to make it sounds. It's just more mirror climbing because there isn't really any argument against it since it doesn't impact those who already cleared it in any way.

    It'd be like (new) Primals HM: no rewards, just to progress the story, yet I don't see anyone complaining about those.
    The current versions of Turns 1-9, are the nerfed versions from the original designs.

    That is actually the easy version of the content...

    Quote Originally Posted by Edeline View Post
    I (and many others I bet) would appreciate if you stop calling development on something that already exists.
    That IS development.

    To go back and adjust, is to 'develop', it takes time, effort and re-implementation on top of testing.

    It's a huge waste of time, when the content has already been nerfed from its original design, and then re-developed and designed again for Savage Coil (to reflect closer to the original design).


    To re-do it for a third time would be an immense waste.


    (P.S. Naming yourself after the worst FF character 0/10)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hali View Post
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    After reading all your posts I just finally read your sig. I would just like to tell you that you will likely be getting banned again. It is possible to have a discussion without talking down to others, name calling, and general harassment. At this point I'm pretty sure you're just trolling anyways trying to get this thread locked or something since it offends you so much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulathskullsplitter View Post
    After reading all your posts I just finally read your sig. I would just like to tell you that you will likely be getting banned again. It is possible to have a discussion without talking down to others, name calling, and general harassment. At this point I'm pretty sure you're just trolling anyways trying to get this thread locked or something since it offends you so much.
    Please see saeedaisspecial's post.
    I've not aimed insults at anyo... Damn, that last post of mine. One insult damn.
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    People need to stop and think for a moment what they're asking for.
    I mean really think about it.

    Take a look at the level of difficulty in Leviathan/Ramuh hard vs the "other" hard mode primals. Then take a look at all of their extreme counterparts.
    The number of mechanics used in Leviathan and Ramuh hard are ridiculous by comparison, almost none are used. They do not teach you much about their mechanics at all on your average first run through them. They even use less mechanics than Ifrit, Garuda, Titan, or Moogle. They teach you almost nothing.
    We've now got people on the forums complaining that the fights in the game (whilst leveling up and unlocking content at end game) do not prepare you for Twintania or other end game fights.
    We also have people complaining that no one does these fights (Leviathan/Ramuh hard) anymore because once they've completed it, they've no reason to do so, resulting in larger queue times. It's become so apparent this is the case that the devs even addressed this in one of the recent live letters.
    Is this what you want? That's exactly what you're asking for, a fight with no rewards, no reason to do it after the first time you've completed it, a fight that doesn't even teach you.

    Asking for all this broken, watered down content is only really harming the game. Instead of encouraging you to learn and improve, it's going to turn the player base into an idiocracy, where no one can really accomplish much short of "the 5%". People who refuse to learn, who don't want to understand the game or get better are the people preventing the game from becoming any more complex than it already is currently. Yoshi himself has said he's afraid of including things like pure support jobs, or "complex" jobs like Blue Mage because he's afraid the player base would find it too difficult to play with.

    So think, please think. Is this really the path you want to proceed down?
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