PvP Suggestion Compromise - we need your support!

[Toodles]

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I'm not requesting a PVP Server or Zone, please read!

After much discussion regarding PvP, I have discovered:

1) Many players believe a PvP Server would be too divisive at this point, forcing friends/players away from each other & their home servers. Not out of the question but likely lacks the needed support anyway.

2) Too many concerns around straight open-world PvP or dedicated PvP Zones... a lot of people just flat out hate these ideas.


Here's how we can Compromise on Open-World PVP:

Small-scale so as to keep a tiny footprint, barely affecting the landscape or PvE at all

Dedicated Arenas spread about Eorzea which players can enter into if they so choose.

Could be made so you speak to an NPC to enter into an Arena (makes it not haphazard, flags the system, to clarify: doesn't make it instanced) & others can naturally spectate from the outside of the ring.

Taking this one step further, periodically PvP-Specific FATE's could occur within certain Arena's.

Various types (deathmatch, king of the hill, objective collection, etc.), this could be huge.

As well, for equitability's sake, the PvP FATE's should probably all be FFA so large groups can't bully people out & monopolize the rewards (like how win-trading ruined Wolves Den). Group play can be for the instanced environments. However, if groups wanted to party up & duel during "FATE Downtime", they may choose to do so (this way you can host some really interesting events with your FC or dabble in fun non-traditional formats).

Some really neat stuff could be done like Arena Hazards activating with the FATE's as well as some contestable objectives, etc.


Do you think this is an Agreeable Compromise to Open-World PVP even if it isn't your thing?

Zero benefit to PvE so no one's "forced" into PvP Content.

[abzoluut]

As long as it does not interfere with PvE content, I wish all PvP fans get what they want.

I'm fine with how it is now. Would love to see more Arena's and I just hope they choose to adjust abilities for PvP rather than to nerf/buff them so it works in both PvE and PvP. That always ruins balance even more and eats development time.

[Musashidon]

or we can keep what we have. the compromise is frontlines and wolfs den. we will get more later.

[Nghthawk]

In a game known for PvE people just don't seem to understand what that mean. Having a separate area is like segregation, it's unfair that others can go in there but because one doesn't like PvP due to bullying and such that happens in all games with PvP. Why should people who do PvP feel they are special and need the game to revolve around that.

Se wont go with a dedicated PvP server because,
1. There isn't enough interest in PvP to justify servers on their own (this isnt like WoW and other PvP's out there)
2. FF has always been and always will be about PvE

[KaiKatzchen]

What you’re asking for kinda reminds me of Ballista in FFXI. NPC’s would just appear at specific times, and you could go into this PVP that would take up a part of the zone. No one could interfere that wasn’t involved, but people could watch. I have to agree with abzoluut though, as long as it doesn’t interfere with PvE, SE can do whatever they want with PVP.

I’m afraid, to be honest, I am not, and never have been, a very big PvP’er.

It might only be on my server but some of my friends are saying no one PVP’s anymore, and that the queue times take forever and were saying they wished others were PvP’ing more. I wouldn’t know, seeing I’ve never tried the Arena or Frontline PvP part’s of the game. In all honesty it seems like people get really excited for PvP when it comes out, do it for a month or two, and then it just dies off when the hardcore PvP’er have the gear they want or people loose interest. It was like that in FFXI as well, people didn’t seem to be very big into PvP that much.

But best of luck to regardless.

[Toodles]

In a game known for PvE, people just don't seem to understand what that mean. Having a separate area is like segregation, it's unfair that others can go in there but because one doesn't like PvP due to bullying and such that happens in all games with PvP. Why should people who do PvP feel they are special and need the game to revolve around that.

Se wont go with a dedicated PvP server because,
1. There isn't enough interest in PvP to justify servers on their own (this isnt like WoW and other PvP's out there)
2. FF has always been and always will be about PvE

This response just feels... wrong. I'm sorry but...

1) I didn't ask for a 'separate area' per se (the way you stated it, it read to me like you were grossly exaggerating the "enormity" of these Arena's just for the sake of it, like it would really be such an upset to the PvE players), I'm not asking for giant zones or spaces that take up gross parts of regions... I'm asking for small-scale Arena's which would be of no interest to PvE'rs. It's like you didn't even read the post.

2) I'm not asking for the game to "revolve around PvP", that's just disrespectful you would create such a blanket statement. This thread is about a FAIR COMPROMISE to those who enjoy PvP & wish to have some form of outer-world PvP option which' non-disruptive to others.

3) Again, it's like you didn't read the post. I essentially ruled out PvP-dedicated Servers in favor of a very minor, small, & simple to develop compromise.

4) Just the fact alone Yoshi-P loves PvP, this' an MMO, & we already have PvP... I would say this FF isn't merely "about PvE"... also you can't see into the future, you don't know FF will "always be about PvE", especially I dare say in an MMO-format.

[Nghthawk]

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Yes I read your post, it's nothing more than 1 person trying to change the world... not going to happen. It doesnt matter if Yoshi loves PvP if the people above him dont and clearly they dont, dont' hold your breath on it happening.

[Jodou]

As a player killer myself, this game already fails enough at PvP that any world PvP would just be a joke. Look, I've seen enough MMOs by now to know what works, and unless the game is built from the ground up with PvP in mind; it does not work. Zones dedicated to world PvP are boring and repetitive. World PvP should happen naturally and it's that added sense of danger/risk everytime you step out of town that makes good PvP games great.

If anything this game is severely lacking, it's risk in the world. Sadly, my breed of player died long ago when MMOs went mainstream.

[Toodles]

As a player killer myself, this game already fails enough at PvP that any world PvP would just be a joke.

I feel you.

I realize PVP is secondary (or tertiary even) in focus, this game & FF in general aren't particularly known for it...

The game won't be built from the ground-up for it & there's clearly not enough support for wPVP to even be implemented in a full-scale sense.

So my goal is receive it in the small-scale for the playground/sandbox factor, this is supposed to be a "theme park" MMO after all.

Give us the option to play around with it or have duels, the people have spoken--they don't want PVP zones or wPVP whatsoever for that matter...

So let's compromise & get some arena's for ourselves, it's better than nothing IMHO.

And for the naysayers who hate PVP, would it really be so harmful to you to give us a small space in a small handful of zones to play around in?

Heck, it may even enhance the immersion to see fighter's training against one another from a spectator's perspective in the outer-world (so long as its consolidated to key areas).

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Please stop trolling my thread with unknowable blanket statements.

[WellFooled]

This is a fine idea Toodles, which I would love to see implemented. I can't imagine any gameplay downside to the ideas you've proposed. Plus I'll take any help I can to get to rank 40 :P Some PvP FATEs might do the trick.