Why shouldn't someone be allowed to watch the cutscenes on first playthrough?

[WellGramarye]

Skaterger: I agree with your point 2, though my stance on this whole issue is completing the duty while they are in cutscenes, not kicking them for watching cutscenes; which is against the TOS. Harrasment, verbal abuse, and booting someone because they choose to watch the CS is all against the TOS. Running through the dungeon, and destroying the bosses before they finish the CS because the majority of the players are WAY over geared for the content is NOT.

Your first point is mostly invalid because the game has its pop up tutorial system (called active help,) which also has a tutorial for party finder, and explains what it is for.

[Kaethra]

I'm also not saying people can't use DF

Your words, Not mine:

There are other ways of getting fast myth, go do those and leave your toxic self out of the story roulette.

I'm saying if someone's going to burst a blood vessel (as you sound like you're about to do) when a party member wants to watch the cutscenes, then it's probably in the impatient person's best interest to get their myth in a way that doesn't elicit that reaction.

Feel free to look in all of my posts in this thread and I would like you to find one instance of where I said I didn't like newbies watching cutscenes (In fact I've said on several occasions and in other threads that I will help newbies and not let them get booted). And the same could be said to the OP. If they don't like people running up ahead. They're free to use a system (preformed group from the PF) that doesn't distress them.

It always goes both ways. There are two sides to this, and as long as neither of them bother the other with arguments and let them do what they want. Neither are wrong.

But people like you who are agitating others with threats of reports and outright insults, such as this:

There are other ways of getting fast myth, go do those and leave your toxic self out of the story roulette.

are part of the problem.

Where as people like me will help the newbie, but I'll require them to meet me half way and leave the speedrunning vets alone as well. I don't like either side insulting the other or harassing the other.

[skaterger]

Skaterger: I agree with your point 2, though my stance on this whole issue is completing the duty while they are in cutscenes, not kicking them for watching cutscenes; which is against the TOS. Harrasment, verbal abuse, and booting someone because they choose to watch the CS is all against the TOS. Running through the dungeon, and destroying the bosses before they finish the CS because the majority of the players are WAY over geared for the content is NOT.

Your first point is mostly invalid because the game has its pop up tutorial system (called active help,) which also has a tutorial for party finder, and explains what it is for.

Sorry about the misunderstanding on point 2. I will concede that letting newbies watch cutscenes while the vets clear the fights is the best compromise for both sides.

I still stand by point 1 though. Although PF is taught to new players by active help, PF is not used for run anything from the first dungeon satasha to the last 4 man dungeon in the game AV(I mean technically they could but no one does it anyway). Suddenly , they are thrown into the first "Full Party" and there is no warning whatsoever that it is going to be any different. There is no mega pop up warning that says "Long cutscene ahead, please use PF if possible". So naturally, a new player will continue using what has been working so far, that is the DF. Speaking from personal experience, I found the transition to Castrum seamless, and like I mentioned earlier, I had no problems in watching cutscenes, and if not for the forums, wouldn't even realize that this was such a huge problem.

[Zoeila]

why not just adjust the dungeon so it cant be speedrun? i run MS roulette as tank for the gil not the tomes. increase gil drops from mobs? make portals not open/switches not operable until all mobs are defeated. my brother recently did prae and i was dissapointed that he didnt get to have the same experience i did with everyone being ilvl 55-65 so i wouldnt mind a ilvl sync similar to frontlines.

[IndigoHawk]

I will concede that letting newbies watch cutscenes while the vets clear the fights is the best compromise for both sides.

No, that's not a compromise. A compromise is vets have a slower run in exchange for the bonus they earn by letting noobs watch cutscenes and waiting for them to join fights. The bonus is what pays for the vets extra time; that's the compromise.

People who believe they're doing noobs a massive favor by treating them like trash need to get over themselves. If you don't want to earn the bonus, then don't run scenario roulette.

[Hurlstone]

This is very much a problem SWTOR has as well (That game probably has it more, as the cut-scenes are longer and interactive.) and my opinion on both is the same: just let people watch the cut scenes. I have absolutely no problem waiting as newer players watch. Perhaps it is because I myself love the cut scenes and the lore of the game. I honestly do not understand the anger some people show when they have to wait a few moments.

Praetorium is a particularly annoying example, because to many people it is an epic conclusion to the games 50 level storyline. There is a lot to enjoy and experience. It really brakes the immersion value if you have to skip the scenes and miss lore details, just because someone cannot patiently wait a few minutes.

That is just my opinion, anyway...

[Brine_Gildchaff]

IF people decide to wait on you because you want to watch the cut scenes slowly, reading them one letter at a time, then that is their pejorative. Its just as if you went into any other dungeon and decided to just walk around looking at the set pieces while the group is trying to clear monsters and kill the bosses. Would you go say Brayflox and just walk around and look at stuff?

Did you just seriously try to equate first-time players attempting to play and view a dungeon the way it was expressly intended to be played and viewed by Square Enix with someone trying to go sightseeing in a dungeon?

[Darki]

This thread:

[Novaura]

Always remember, you are not alone.

http://youtu.be/_8UUR0irCAA

[skaterger]

No, that's not a compromise. A compromise is vets have a slower run in exchange for the bonus they earn by letting noobs watch cutscenes and waiting for them to join fights. The bonus is what pays for the vets extra time; that's the compromise.

People who believe they're doing noobs a massive favor by treating them like trash need to get over themselves. If you don't want to earn the bonus, then don't run scenario roulette.

Believe me, I feel the same way as you. I don't ever skip cutscenes if even there is only one new player and if I am a tank and healers start pulling I will just leave. However SE's stance on the matter is clear, so long as it does not blatantly break game rules such as botting or hacking, then pretty much everything else falls under "differences in gameplay style" a.k.a majority rules. To change people's mindset once they are set on something is nigh impossible, but we can do all we can do make the game experience as enjoyable as possible for new players.