Quote Originally Posted by Brine_Gildchaff View Post
With people like -that- on one side, talk of "compromise" is absurd. The compromise was already made, by Square; the players I speak of wish to flout that compromise and demand a new one be made closer to their goalposts.
Believe me, I understand and even agree with you to a certain extent here. I do NOT like when newbies are told to skip the cutscenes. That ticks me off. And I will do what I can to punish players who try to tell a newbie they can't watch them. I want the newbies to watch them.

I also have no issue with waiting for cutscenes. I really don't. I don't mind speedruns. I won't lie, I actually like them. Why not? Its less time and we get into the boss fights which is -my- favorite part of the dungeons. And I will wait for newbies to catch up for those. Because lets me honest, the more the merrier right? And in those cases where both tanks want to watch the cutscenes, I'll let them watch. I won't rush them. Heck I might even watch them myself. They're pretty cool to experience as you're running them once in a while.

But my sword cuts both ways. Veterans that just wish to clear trash while people are watching. I'll let them do that too. The newbies shouldn't be crying foul there either. But that's usually not a problem. I don't see many newbies in the dungeons I run get upset about it. Where I normally step in is when someone says at the beginning "just skip the CS and watch them in the Inn." I tell them to leave them alone, that they can still clear to the boss while they're watching (after the first one). Usually that ends the argument. And that's what I'm advocating here.

One thing I would support is the fix to Praetorium specifically where you have to kill the mobs next to the teleporters before being able to use them. That's a pet peeve of mine is a newbie getting killed there because they don't know how to get through. Heck even a few of my friends who are vets have reported dying there as a tank so everyone else can get through. That's needs to change. But other then that. We can handle it ourselves as a community.

But what really irks me is when some people come in here. These people who are vets and don't really run the dungeons anymore, will come in and say that speedruns are terrible, and say that vets who want their speedruns shouldn't join the DF and should use the PF instead. The rule of PF is as follows:

If you want to speedrun, don't use DF.
If you want to watch cutscenes, don't use DF.

What that means is if you want something. In order to get it, you preform your group. No matter what. When you use DF, you pretty much do what the majority of the group wants to do. And I mean its the most fair way. You have a group of strangers who's end goal is to complete the dungeon. How they complete it is up to a majority. And really thats how it should be. I know when I first ran CM and PR back a year ago, I was in a preform. I had a healer I knew well, and a tank I've been grouping with since 2007 in a variety of games. And I did that because I (we) wanted to watch the cutscenes. And so we did.

But when you run with other people, you do so respectfully. No one should be booting anyone unless they are a real detriment to the group. The great thing about CM and PR is that they are easily One Groupable. Heck I'm confident I could duo it with a tank with me healing (Minus the Ultima detonation at the end). With that said, I suggest compromise where the side who wishes to speedrun, and the side who doesn't, just do what they wish. Simply because it doesn't put the collective goal of the group (completion of the dungeon) at risk.