Why shouldn't someone be allowed to watch the cutscenes on first playthrough?

[WellGramarye]

You surveyed by looking at their search info and their mapping achievements. And now you want to say they said so.. Oh well, you can make up your story however you like and interpret the information however you like.

But it doesn't change the fact that forcing people to speed run, verbal abuse, and locking people out boss fights are all bad behaviors and they can all be reported to the GM. And I've even talked to GMs even in the middle of a Prae boss about these speed runners, and they start the boss and cuss at me at the same time I am cutting pasting their choice words to the GM.

Alukan is saying they join duty finder as all 3 roles to try to get into the duty faster. Not they are checking the people they are in the duty with....

Reading comprehension?

No one forces anyone to "speed run." You either keep up with the pace of the group or don't. If you sit and watch cutscenes, no one is OBLIGATED to make sure you join the fights. There is thing called personal responsibility. You join a duty, any duty to complete it. IF people decide to wait on you because you want to watch the cut scenes slowly, reading them one letter at a time, then that is their pejorative. Its just as if you went into any other dungeon and decided to just walk around looking at the set pieces while the group is trying to clear monsters and kill the bosses. Would you go say Brayflox and just walk around and look at stuff?

SE will NOT enforce one way of playing on the player base. They've said this much already multiple times. They added party finder for this very reason. Duty finder is for the completion of duties. If you don't want to just complete the duty, and play through it, then you have the option of finding like minded players and using party finder.

[skaterger]

SE will NOT enforce one way of playing on the player base. They've said this much already multiple times. They added party finder for this very reason. Duty finder is for the completion of duties. If you don't want to just complete the duty, and play through it, then you have the option of finding like minded players and using party finder.

Two problems with this line of thought.

1) Let's assume a completely new player. He has done all his dungeons through duty finder from lvl 1-50 thus far and has not encountered speed running for the most part and it has worked well for him. Why should he suddenly change his approach to use PF if he wants to run a dungeon the way he has always been runnning it from 1-50

2) The number of players who use the forums are the minority. Most new players will not even know that this duty will have so many long cutscenes. How are they expected to know this to use the party finder. He would probably assume that the cutscene would be under a minute. By the time they realize it, they would have already been kicked.

[WellGramarye]

Skaterger: I agree with your point 2, though my stance on this whole issue is completing the duty while they are in cutscenes, not kicking them for watching cutscenes; which is against the TOS. Harrasment, verbal abuse, and booting someone because they choose to watch the CS is all against the TOS. Running through the dungeon, and destroying the bosses before they finish the CS because the majority of the players are WAY over geared for the content is NOT.

Your first point is mostly invalid because the game has its pop up tutorial system (called active help,) which also has a tutorial for party finder, and explains what it is for.

[skaterger]

Skaterger: I agree with your point 2, though my stance on this whole issue is completing the duty while they are in cutscenes, not kicking them for watching cutscenes; which is against the TOS. Harrasment, verbal abuse, and booting someone because they choose to watch the CS is all against the TOS. Running through the dungeon, and destroying the bosses before they finish the CS because the majority of the players are WAY over geared for the content is NOT.

Your first point is mostly invalid because the game has its pop up tutorial system (called active help,) which also has a tutorial for party finder, and explains what it is for.

Sorry about the misunderstanding on point 2. I will concede that letting newbies watch cutscenes while the vets clear the fights is the best compromise for both sides.

I still stand by point 1 though. Although PF is taught to new players by active help, PF is not used for run anything from the first dungeon satasha to the last 4 man dungeon in the game AV(I mean technically they could but no one does it anyway). Suddenly , they are thrown into the first "Full Party" and there is no warning whatsoever that it is going to be any different. There is no mega pop up warning that says "Long cutscene ahead, please use PF if possible". So naturally, a new player will continue using what has been working so far, that is the DF. Speaking from personal experience, I found the transition to Castrum seamless, and like I mentioned earlier, I had no problems in watching cutscenes, and if not for the forums, wouldn't even realize that this was such a huge problem.

[Brine_Gildchaff]

IF people decide to wait on you because you want to watch the cut scenes slowly, reading them one letter at a time, then that is their pejorative. Its just as if you went into any other dungeon and decided to just walk around looking at the set pieces while the group is trying to clear monsters and kill the bosses. Would you go say Brayflox and just walk around and look at stuff?

Did you just seriously try to equate first-time players attempting to play and view a dungeon the way it was expressly intended to be played and viewed by Square Enix with someone trying to go sightseeing in a dungeon?

[Darki]

This thread:

[WellGramarye]

Did you just seriously try to equate first-time players attempting to play and view a dungeon the way it was expressly intended to be played and viewed by Square Enix with someone trying to go sightseeing in a dungeon?

The way the game is "meant to be played" is a community issue, and not something set by SE. To some players just lazing around the dungeon looking at everything is how they feel the game should be played. Other players want to run through the dungeon as fast as possible. Some just want to do small pulls. Some want to spend 30 mins watching cutscenes and others don't.

[Brine_Gildchaff]

The way the game is "meant to be played" is a community issue, and not something set by SE.

Not when we're talking about specific cutscene flags that were placed into the game by SE. It is the clear and indisputable intent of the developers that players reaching those points in the dungeon view a cutscene.

[Kaethra]

Not when we're talking about specific cutscene flags that were placed into the game by SE. It is the clear and indisputable intent of the developers that players reaching those points in the dungeon view a cutscene.

SE also put the option to not only skip the Cutscene. But to AUTOMATICALLY do it if you've seen it already. So that is Clear and Indisputable proof of the intent of the developers to allow players to skip or view them. At their leisure.

As I've said before, the arguments in this thread ALWAYS go both ways. Which is why we should compromise.

[Brine_Gildchaff]

SE also put the option to not only skip the Cutscene.

I can't deny the truth in that, but it's still a clear-cut difference from someone wanting to walk around and sightsee in a dungeon.

As I've said before, the arguments in this thread ALWAYS go both ways. Which is why we should compromise.

Y'know, I only seem to see this word bandied about by the veterans in this thread. It's starting to look more and more like code for "way we can still get our extra 100 myth faster without being chastised by the community".

Edit: I should clarify this... it wasn't necessarily pointed at Kaethra, so much as the players both active in this thread and who fall into the same group as those pointed out by the OP, who seem to feel it's their absolute Twelve-bestowed right to not only take their 100-myth bonus - their payment from Square for assisting new players - but also ruin the new players' experience by forcing them to skip scenes or run off and leave them behind to get either lost or locked out of every single boss fight, all so they can finish the dungeon they arre now being given 230 tomestones for in the same time they'd normally take to get 130 tomestones from roulette. And who then have the unmitigated gall to come on here and call the -newbies- "entitled".

With people like -that- on one side, talk of "compromise" is absurd. The compromise was already made, by Square; the players I speak of wish to flout that compromise and demand a new one be made closer to their goalposts.