Why shouldn't someone be allowed to watch the cutscenes on first playthrough?

[Leomoon]

You will always run into this people, I was playing Diablo 3 and I allowed random people to join as I watched and read the story text some guy joined in and started skipping everything so I just ended the game mode (haven't found a way to kick someone) You will always will have this people who feel just because they know the story that no one should uses up there time to watch something they want to watch.

[NyarukoW]

.. you really show you don't run MS roulette at all ...

You obviously haven't seen speed runner run so far ahead skipping all sorts of stuff and forcing people to use the shortcut and skipping zones. More often than not, the 1st-timer in this situation gets a clear but they are so lost they don't even know how get on the magitek and ride down the ramp and get stuck there. It would seem that your do NOT run Praetorium.

And in CM there are many zone that a 1st-timer can end up skipping without even knowing that happened. They often ask where is everyone and get told to return and use the shortcut.

In all likelihood, these supposedly new people, probably got locked out of the bosses in their first run thru because they were watching cutscenes, and are now doing it again to get the boss fights. People should never have been abused like that in the first place. They should NOT have to do all cutscenes without the boss fights or boss fights without the cutscenes, and have all the continuity all messed up in either case.

[Kaethra]

There are other ways of getting fast myth, go do those and leave your toxic self out of the story roulette.

And hurt the newbies and those making new characters (not everyone running those dungeons for the quest are there for their first run) by giving them a 4 hour queue? Seriously.

And who the hell are you to tell someone else they can't use the DF? Everyone is allowed to use the DF, and everyone is allowed to run the dungeon how they wish to. If someone wants to watch the cutscenes, they watch them. If they don't and want to clear through, then they clear through.

All you're going to do with statements like that is get the thread locked. Then what newbies are you helping?

[Gaddes]

And hurt the newbies and those making new characters (not everyone running those dungeons for the quest are there for their first run) by giving them a 4 hour queue? Seriously.

And who the hell are you to tell someone else they can't use the DF? Everyone is allowed to use the DF, and everyone is allowed to run the dungeon how they wish to. If someone wants to watch the cutscenes, they watch them. If they don't and want to clear through, then they clear through.

All you're going to do with statements like that is get the thread locked. Then what newbies are you helping?

We're pretty clearly not talking about experienced players with new characters/alts; the thread is about someone going through the level completely new. I'm also not saying people can't use DF; I'm saying if someone's going to burst a blood vessel (as you sound like you're about to do) when a party member wants to watch the cutscenes, then it's probably in the impatient person's best interest to get their myth in a way that doesn't elicit that reaction. And yes, everyone is allowed to use DF, just as everyone is allowed to report people for harassing other players.

If anyone's going to get a thread locked it's probably going to be you.

[Alukah]

You obviously haven't seen speed runner run so far ahead skipping all sorts of stuff and forcing people to use the shortcut and skipping zones. More often than not, the 1st-timer in this situation gets a clear but they are so lost they don't even know how get on the magitek and ride down the ramp and get stuck there. It would seem that your do NOT run Praetorium.

"More often than not" I thought you were there to protect and guide the newbies, how do you let that happen? Like I said earlier (which again you didn't read) I always wait for them to get down the ramp so they don't get lost, so that's hardly an issue in my parties. And like I said earlier, in this case I'm talking about the guys said they were new, but again your selective reading is at work.

And in CM there are many zone that a 1st-timer can end up skipping without even knowing that happened. They often ask where is everyone and get told to return and use the shortcut.

This happened in Praetorium, so that's irrelevant.

In all likelihood, these supposedly new people, probably got locked out of the bosses in their first run thru because they were watching cutscenes, and are now doing it again to get the boss fights. People should never have been abused like that in the first place. They should NOT have to do all cutscenes without the boss fights or boss fights without the cutscenes, and have all the continuity all messed up in either case.

Do you understand English? They said they were new and they didn't care about CS other than the guy they locked out, you are assuming every newbie cares about cutscenes.

Maybe bolds will work with you. At this point I'm thinking you're just a troll trying to waste people's time here.

I personally never watched cutscenes past Ifrit (lvl 20) in my road to 50 to avoid being an inconvenience.

[NyarukoW]

"More often than not" I thought you were there to protect and guide the newbies, how do you let that happen?

What is 1 bard going to do other than wait outside the boss room for the 1st-timer. That is all I can do while I witness all the speed running shenanigans going on. I can't stop a couple of speed running tanks or healers. I argue with them, and if start cussing at me I report them to the GM for verbal abuse.

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What you said about what the newbies said is all your interpretation. You chose add that they said this and that after the fact, if you look you original "story time" post. In which case, most people would assume you are embellishing. Beside it is "your story" so you can tell it however you like and change it however you like and even go back edit your post. See:

...(I usually survey all 3 roles to see which one gets in faster) and to my surprise the group consisted of 5 new players, both tanks and 3 DPS, ....

You surveyed by looking at their search info and their mapping achievements. And now you want to say they said so.. Oh well, you can make up your story however you like and interpret the information however you like.

But it doesn't change the fact that forcing people to speed run, verbal abuse, and locking people out boss fights are all bad behaviors and they can all be reported to the GM. And I've even talked to GMs even in the middle of a Prae boss about these speed runners, and they start the boss and cuss at me at the same time I am cutting pasting their choice words to the GM.

[skaterger]

I watched the cutscenes in full the first time and I did Prae and Castrum and I'm glad I got to enjoy the full experience and no one complained. But then again, I run with Japanese players who are much nicer and more respectful of players in general. Now when I do run the main story, I always return the same favor.

[Mugiawara]

I watched the cutscenes in full the first time and I did Prae and Castrum and I'm glad I got to enjoy the full experience and no one complained. But then again, I run with Japanese players who are much nicer and more respectful of players in general. Now when I do run the main story, I always return the same favor.

We need more people like you.
As you can see from a lot of posts here people are so
dang selfish is sickening lol.

[WellGramarye]

You surveyed by looking at their search info and their mapping achievements. And now you want to say they said so.. Oh well, you can make up your story however you like and interpret the information however you like.

But it doesn't change the fact that forcing people to speed run, verbal abuse, and locking people out boss fights are all bad behaviors and they can all be reported to the GM. And I've even talked to GMs even in the middle of a Prae boss about these speed runners, and they start the boss and cuss at me at the same time I am cutting pasting their choice words to the GM.

Alukan is saying they join duty finder as all 3 roles to try to get into the duty faster. Not they are checking the people they are in the duty with....

Reading comprehension?

No one forces anyone to "speed run." You either keep up with the pace of the group or don't. If you sit and watch cutscenes, no one is OBLIGATED to make sure you join the fights. There is thing called personal responsibility. You join a duty, any duty to complete it. IF people decide to wait on you because you want to watch the cut scenes slowly, reading them one letter at a time, then that is their pejorative. Its just as if you went into any other dungeon and decided to just walk around looking at the set pieces while the group is trying to clear monsters and kill the bosses. Would you go say Brayflox and just walk around and look at stuff?

SE will NOT enforce one way of playing on the player base. They've said this much already multiple times. They added party finder for this very reason. Duty finder is for the completion of duties. If you don't want to just complete the duty, and play through it, then you have the option of finding like minded players and using party finder.

[skaterger]

SE will NOT enforce one way of playing on the player base. They've said this much already multiple times. They added party finder for this very reason. Duty finder is for the completion of duties. If you don't want to just complete the duty, and play through it, then you have the option of finding like minded players and using party finder.

Two problems with this line of thought.

1) Let's assume a completely new player. He has done all his dungeons through duty finder from lvl 1-50 thus far and has not encountered speed running for the most part and it has worked well for him. Why should he suddenly change his approach to use PF if he wants to run a dungeon the way he has always been runnning it from 1-50

2) The number of players who use the forums are the minority. Most new players will not even know that this duty will have so many long cutscenes. How are they expected to know this to use the party finder. He would probably assume that the cutscene would be under a minute. By the time they realize it, they would have already been kicked.