Why shouldn't someone be allowed to watch the cutscenes on first playthrough?

[Alukah]

Small story time!

Yesterday I decided to queue for MS roulette as a healer (I usually survey all 3 roles to see which one gets in faster) and to my surprise the group consisted of 5 new players, both tanks and 3 DPS, by that point I was getting ready to sit out all cutscenes, one of them quickly says he's gonna watch cutscenes because he's new (fine for me), by the first boss, however, while that one guy is still watching cutscenes (everyone else skipped) one of the new tanks asks if we should move on and two of the other newbies said yeah, to make the story short, the only new guy watching cutscenes got locked out or missed out most of the dungeon by the other newbies.

This is not all "evil vets vs innocent newbies", it's just that people (regardless if they are new or not) do not want to sit there for long minutes doing absolutely nothing just because someone else is watching cutscenes, specially if they are slow readers, the only fight this guy didn't miss from the start was Nero and that was because someone else got lost and I didn't want to go in until he found the closest shortcut.

[Darki]

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[NyarukoW]

Small story time!

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Notice how they did not harass the slower newbie watching the cutscenes via cussing or vote kick. Nor they did they deliberately lock him out of all dungeons to punish him for taking longer to watch cut scenes. People talk and dicussed how they want to proceed. Additionally it is not clear how you determine that there were 5 newbies, they can be alts characters, or alt classes. There is no indicator to show how many are new.

BTW if they did all that with the OP, you think the OP would have even started this thread? Speed runner tried to vote kick the OP for watching cutscenes.

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We're talking about Duty Finder Roulette. 99% of the people you interact with, you will most likely never interact with again, because after all, they are on different servers. While this is no excuse to treat them harshly or harass them,...

It is the same speed runner that rage quit after the first wipe of T5 on the DF. It doesn't matter if it CM, PRAE, T5, Titan EX or any other dungeon or instance on the DF. Impatience is the root of the problem. If they want to speed run, use the PF. Even then, the PF has those check boxes like slow and easy so that people on the PF are not all assumed to be speed runners, because it only takes a few vote kicks on the DF or PF to ruin it for everyone else.

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For the last time. ...

PARTY. FINDER for the SPEED RUNNERS.

Fixed it for you.

The can set all the those check boxes they way they like. They don't need to mess with the the peopel in the DF or doing other PFs.

[Alukah]

Notice how they did not harass the slower newbie watching the cutscenes via cussing or vote kick.

If you're good at anything, it should be selective reading, because I have said several times I'm not okay with kicking people for watching cutscenes and cussing is not allowed regardless if it's about CS or not.

Nor they did they deliberately lock him out of all dungeons to punish him for taking longer to watch cut scenes. People talk and dicussed how they want to proceed.

They did deliberately decide to lock him out and proceed because he was taking too long (did you even read the post?) and the discussion part is something we have been repeating over and over but you don't seem to understand, when I said "majority rules" how do you think this is determined? By discussing the way to proceed.

Additionally it is not clear how you determine that there were 5 newbies, they can be alts characters, or alt classes. There is no indicator to show how many are new.

By having a brain and using it, there's this thing called "search info" and this other thing called mapping achievement.

You like to throw the word "troll" around a lot in your other posts, perhaps you're just trolling this thread making people waste time, that's the only explanation for bringing stuff that has been answered already.

I wouldn't be surprised if you were one of those who don't even run MS roulette anymore and just want to argue for the sake of it.

[Yoninxi]

By having a brain and using it, there's this thing called "search info" and this other thing called mapping achievement.

You like to throw the word "troll" around a lot in your other posts, perhaps you're just trolling this thread making people waste time, that's the only explanation for bringing stuff that has been answered already.

I wouldn't be surprised if you were one of those who don't even run MS roulette anymore and just want to argue for the sake of it.

Please tell me two things
1. Why is it my job to determine who is new? Why don't you just use your keyboard and express your intentions.
2. How is using your brain and the search info gonna find out who is an alt?

[Alukah]

Please tell me two things
1. Why is it my job to determine who is new? Why don't you just use your keyboard and express your intentions.
2. How is using your brain and the search info gonna find out who is an alt?

I'll answer two things:

1. I never said it was your job to determine who's new, the post I'm replying to is a direct reply to my small story in post #229, I determined that 5 of the 7 other players were new and NyarukoW is questioning this.
2. That's where communication kicks in, they all said they were new, their search info also showed it was their first 50 and they had the standard gear you would expect from a fresh 50, and also they got the mapping achievement at the end.

You don't have to watch them yourself. You can skip. You can kill trash mobs. Hell, you can even take out some of the bosses (if you ask first and the newbie says okay). Or, y'know. Read a book. Listen to a song. Pop open your DS and take a turn or three on Fire Emblem. And why is it not feasible when you're being payed in mythology tomestones to do precisely that?

They say that if you repeat a lie so many times it becomes truth, but not this time. The first time bonus is just there as an incentive to help clear the content, anything else is inside your head.

Your brain is flawed in its ability to interpret information. I didn't get my mapping achievement for Sastasha, but I've done that at least 2 dozen times. I didn't get it because people speed run sastasha, skip chests and all. I didn't get it until 3 weeks ago when I was helping a FC member with a one of our own really experienced FC tank that made sure we maximized EXP for our new FC member. So you misinterpret that info as being new.

See, you really show you don't run MS roulette at all, there's no way to skip the mapping achievement unless you skip zones and there's no way to skip zones in Praetorium.

And since you have some reading issues, let me tell you again: they all said they were new.

[NyarukoW]

.. you really show you don't run MS roulette at all ...

You obviously haven't seen speed runner run so far ahead skipping all sorts of stuff and forcing people to use the shortcut and skipping zones. More often than not, the 1st-timer in this situation gets a clear but they are so lost they don't even know how get on the magitek and ride down the ramp and get stuck there. It would seem that your do NOT run Praetorium.

And in CM there are many zone that a 1st-timer can end up skipping without even knowing that happened. They often ask where is everyone and get told to return and use the shortcut.

In all likelihood, these supposedly new people, probably got locked out of the bosses in their first run thru because they were watching cutscenes, and are now doing it again to get the boss fights. People should never have been abused like that in the first place. They should NOT have to do all cutscenes without the boss fights or boss fights without the cutscenes, and have all the continuity all messed up in either case.

[Alukah]

You obviously haven't seen speed runner run so far ahead skipping all sorts of stuff and forcing people to use the shortcut and skipping zones. More often than not, the 1st-timer in this situation gets a clear but they are so lost they don't even know how get on the magitek and ride down the ramp and get stuck there. It would seem that your do NOT run Praetorium.

"More often than not" I thought you were there to protect and guide the newbies, how do you let that happen? Like I said earlier (which again you didn't read) I always wait for them to get down the ramp so they don't get lost, so that's hardly an issue in my parties. And like I said earlier, in this case I'm talking about the guys said they were new, but again your selective reading is at work.

And in CM there are many zone that a 1st-timer can end up skipping without even knowing that happened. They often ask where is everyone and get told to return and use the shortcut.

This happened in Praetorium, so that's irrelevant.

In all likelihood, these supposedly new people, probably got locked out of the bosses in their first run thru because they were watching cutscenes, and are now doing it again to get the boss fights. People should never have been abused like that in the first place. They should NOT have to do all cutscenes without the boss fights or boss fights without the cutscenes, and have all the continuity all messed up in either case.

Do you understand English? They said they were new and they didn't care about CS other than the guy they locked out, you are assuming every newbie cares about cutscenes.

Maybe bolds will work with you. At this point I'm thinking you're just a troll trying to waste people's time here.

I personally never watched cutscenes past Ifrit (lvl 20) in my road to 50 to avoid being an inconvenience.

[NyarukoW]

... there's this thing called "search info" and this other thing called mapping achievement.

Your brain is flawed in its ability to interpret information. I didn't get my mapping achievement for Sastasha, but I've done that at least 2 dozen times. I didn't get it because people speed run sastasha, skip chests and all. I didn't get it until 3 weeks ago when I was helping a FC member with a one of our own really experienced FC tank that made sure we maximized EXP for our new FC member. So you misinterpret that info as being new.

I wouldn't be surprised if you were one of those who don't even run MS roulette anymore and just want to argue for the sake of it.

Funny thing is I was doing this last week to help a fresh level 50 in our FC. I recruited two of our FC tanks to go, and that put a stop to any nonsense about cutscene skipping.