Why shouldn't someone be allowed to watch the cutscenes on first playthrough?

[Yoninxi]

You really wouldn't Q in the no skipping version for 600 myth rather than the skipping version for whatever it is 150 or 200 or something? (been a while since I've Q'd for it so I don't know the current rewards). To be honest I was thinking that the one with no cut-scene skipping would blow up and the skipping one would be slower...

Why would SE give out a huge sum of myth to do nothing but watch their movie over and over?

[NyarukoW]

... there's this thing called "search info" and this other thing called mapping achievement.

Your brain is flawed in its ability to interpret information. I didn't get my mapping achievement for Sastasha, but I've done that at least 2 dozen times. I didn't get it because people speed run sastasha, skip chests and all. I didn't get it until 3 weeks ago when I was helping a FC member with a one of our own really experienced FC tank that made sure we maximized EXP for our new FC member. So you misinterpret that info as being new.

I wouldn't be surprised if you were one of those who don't even run MS roulette anymore and just want to argue for the sake of it.

Funny thing is I was doing this last week to help a fresh level 50 in our FC. I recruited two of our FC tanks to go, and that put a stop to any nonsense about cutscene skipping.

[Brine_Gildchaff]

That's not in my interest. I'm not waiting for people who don't say "hey im new!" , but instead whine they were left behind for not saying anything to the party. The reward is not to help newbies, it's to keep those dungeons populated so newbies don't have 2 hour Queue times.

Wrong. Wrong, wrong, WRONG. Did you even read my earlier post where I explained this? The "keep queues populated" reward is the base 110 tomestones rewrded by completing the Main Story Roulette dungeon. But if a newbie is there (and you are told they are there at the start of the dungeon), you are then rewarded AGAIN, with an ADDITIONAL 100 tomestones for shepherding that new player. It is NOT so you can harass them and ruin their experience of the final dungeons of the game's story. You are trying to demand that you be allowed to get that second reward without actually doing ANY of the conditions it is being given to you, and in fact while doing the exact opposite of what you are being given that reward for. THAT is toxicity.

[ManweSulimo]

Why would SE give out a huge sum of myth to do nothing but watch their movie over and over?

Did you read my post? http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2466975

The reason is because this is a huge pivotal point for new players in this game and if SE wants to keep customers happy then they need to bridge this gap between speed running for tomes/hour and new players getting their fast Q times. Keep in mind this roulette bonus is only once per day.

Bullet Point Answers:

1. Keep new players satisfied with their experience in the story mode of the game and therefore happy and continuing to purchase their subscription
2. This will be rewarding enough to ensure that a steady stream of players will be available to help drastically reduce Q times for these dungeons
3. Give speed runners a reason to actually do the dungeon and not feel like they're wasting their time watching cut-scenes
4. Less toxicity between players. I mean for God's sake take a step back and look what's happening in this thread

[Yoninxi]

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It is not feasible to ask The people who run those dungeons every day to watch the same cutscenes ,every day, in those dungeons because someone is new.

[Alukah]

Please tell me two things
1. Why is it my job to determine who is new? Why don't you just use your keyboard and express your intentions.
2. How is using your brain and the search info gonna find out who is an alt?

I'll answer two things:

1. I never said it was your job to determine who's new, the post I'm replying to is a direct reply to my small story in post #229, I determined that 5 of the 7 other players were new and NyarukoW is questioning this.
2. That's where communication kicks in, they all said they were new, their search info also showed it was their first 50 and they had the standard gear you would expect from a fresh 50, and also they got the mapping achievement at the end.

You don't have to watch them yourself. You can skip. You can kill trash mobs. Hell, you can even take out some of the bosses (if you ask first and the newbie says okay). Or, y'know. Read a book. Listen to a song. Pop open your DS and take a turn or three on Fire Emblem. And why is it not feasible when you're being payed in mythology tomestones to do precisely that?

They say that if you repeat a lie so many times it becomes truth, but not this time. The first time bonus is just there as an incentive to help clear the content, anything else is inside your head.

Your brain is flawed in its ability to interpret information. I didn't get my mapping achievement for Sastasha, but I've done that at least 2 dozen times. I didn't get it because people speed run sastasha, skip chests and all. I didn't get it until 3 weeks ago when I was helping a FC member with a one of our own really experienced FC tank that made sure we maximized EXP for our new FC member. So you misinterpret that info as being new.

See, you really show you don't run MS roulette at all, there's no way to skip the mapping achievement unless you skip zones and there's no way to skip zones in Praetorium.

And since you have some reading issues, let me tell you again: they all said they were new.

[Brine_Gildchaff]

It is not feasible to ask The people who run those dungeons every day to watch the same cutscenes ,every day, in those dungeons because someone is new.

You don't have to watch them yourself. You can skip. You can kill trash mobs. Hell, you can even take out some of the bosses (if you ask first and the newbie says okay). Or, y'know. Read a book. Listen to a song. Pop open your DS and take a turn or three on Fire Emblem. And why is it not feasible when you're being payed in mythology tomestones to do precisely that?

[Yoninxi]

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This newbie reward is relatively new. Hence why I said I don't run if for the new member reward. Like I said be fore, unless you disable cutscenes , I'm not waiting. You can't force me to watch e same tired cutscenes every time I run the dungeon. I will inform you of the nature of the dungeon , then move on. I don't vote kick news. If that's too toxic for you oh well.

[Yoninxi]

You don't have to watch them yourself. You can skip. You can kill trash mobs. Hell, you can even take out some of the bosses (if you ask first and the newbie says okay). Or, y'know. Read a book. Listen to a song. Pop open your DS and take a turn or three on Fire Emblem. And why is it not feasible when you're being payed in mythology tomestones to do precisely that?

Killing anything with out the newbie is bad though! Just look at some of the posts here. You're being paid to go into the dungeon so newbies don't have 2 hour queue times. Why don't people understand that? Anything else is extra.

[NyarukoW]

It is not feasible to ask The people who run those dungeons every day to watch the same cutscenes ,every day, in those dungeons because someone is new.

I've done this plenty. On average 19 out of 20 runs, there is no new player bonus to be awarded. It will not be everyday, and 1st-timer are doing their 1st time only once, and over time the odds of getting a new players will only continue to drop from 1 out of 20 to 1 out of 100 and perhaps to even less than 0.01% off the time.

... Anything else is extra.

This attitude is the problem. Someone thinks it is just about completion. Some one else thinks it is just queue times. Why such tunnel vision? Why so limited? Anything else is NOT extra. How about trying to do everything that can be reasonably done to help make it a pleasant experience for everyone? For the 5% chance that you get a 1st-timer, let them watch the cut scenes and do NOT lock them out of bosses. It is not that hard to do.