Relic weapons situation post expansion

[Sapphic]

Mah dude... this post here... just gave me this feeling of relief and sudden encouragement to.. to finish my Bravura Animus. Thank you. Thank you very much. I mean it.

The ones insisting you need IV materia are the ones selling them for 400-800k (depending on server) on the marketboard.

Don't listen to them XD

For example if you went with accuracy as the 3rd stat, you could use Noct circlet with crit/det instead of HA circlet of fending with Acc/Skill Speed.
http://xivdb.com/?item/7162/High-All...let-of-Fending
http://xivdb.com/?item/7294/Noct-Circlet

Which will give you, overall, more det and crit and still allow you to hit accuracy cap.

Going 25/25/25 will give you 43 crit 43 det 25 acc (with noct circlet) as opposed to 43 crit 32 det 25 acc maxing det and crit on relic. So, Cheaper and better XD

[Ooshima]

But here's the thing, they don't need the relic weapon, that's what my point was. When they hit the new level cap, assuming they raise it, there will be new weapons that will be as powerful or more powerful than a relic. It's optional content, meant to be a long term goal.

nvm I'm just repeating myself lol.

I just don't want to touch on the word "need" again, it is a too long and tiring argument.

[Amused]

nvm I'm just repeating myself lol.

I just don't want to touch on the word "need" again, it is a too long and tiring argument.

Well, you haven't given me a reason why they need to have one, or any. I actually wanted you to convince me otherwise.

[LTEvil]

LOL It's not optional???

WAIT IT IS?

[Nestama]

Thus - you are looking at aprox. 10 hours per book for a total of 90 hours for all of them. So even if they nerfed the animus step to where you could get the books for free...you're still in for a ridiculous amount of grind. For those complaining about atma - I highly highly doubt you have hit 90 hours (unless you're extremely extremely unlucky). Animus is bad. Where is the animus complaining?

It's not entirely bad if SE make it so that some of the FATE's spawn within 15-60 minutes. Unlike Atma, Animus isn't purely based on RNG. Compared to Atma, getting your Animus feels (somewhat) rewarding. Atma? You're just damn well glad it's over and done with and never want to touch it again.

Killing the 100 monsters was fine. Doing the dungeons again was fine. The leves were okay, but the FATE's were honestly the "hardest" part about them. Because you never knew when they would pop and, if you've been waiting for an hour or so and need to go to the bathroom, you're too paranoid to leave for even a second because what if the FATE pops?

[Jerichai]

18 hours is problematic, yes. But 3 months implies they didn't try very hard and RNG got the best of them..for those months. 3 months at 2 hours a day is plausible. But if you're doing it that infrequently, then it works as intended.

You're calling 2 hours a day of ATMA farming for 3 months infrequent...?

Like you do realize that for a lot of people, that's all or a significant portion of their game time in a day.

Some of you all need to understand how statistics work. The concept of statistical outliers is a real thing...you know...

[Luciano_Bozzelli]

Putting all the effort in for these weapons makes sense now because as of right now they are literally pushing at the boundaries of what we have access to in other content, but far down the line when things like Novus and Nexus are obsolete what will be the motivation to even bother with these steps for newer players? Not sure if SE has ever mentioned their plans in regards to this.

And reasons like this is why I have always said that it will at some far far away later step be the best weapon in the game, and you will have to go through ALL those trials to get that best weapon in the game. And only those willing to put up with ALL those steps will have the "Relic Weapon" and it will be very powerful and more rare later in its life. But, don't forget, for a person to get a T17 Weapon or whatever they want to call it from the new end game will have to beat ALL those other coils just to get at the hardest raid in the game....

All high high high level weapons will be eventually super hard to get for newcomers and such. Lots and Lots of content to defeat and rise up to.

[Ooshima]

Well, you haven't given me a reason why they need to have one, or any. I actually wanted you to convince me otherwise.

I don't need to give you a reason nor convince you, because it doesn't affect how you would play. This is mostly a design and business decision which apparently, you do not see the reasoning as those SE dudes over there. It isn't really about need, per se.

It could be as simple as, why would you and your team need to be IL100 and higher when BG cleared coil in IL100 or less average. Maybe SE should add a zero to all Soldiery gear and change coil 2 to only drop 1 piece of gear per turn, since it is statistically proven by BG that it isn't needed?

Need itself is a subjective term as individuals have different needs. Relic itself comes with a lore that is linked to the respective jobs. It is a non-coil weapon which means it is the most open weapon that isn't gated behind a specific clearance requirement.

If you see it from here, you will see why Relic will remain to have the accessibility to obtain them. Statistically needed or not, it does not matter - it is not a raid reward weapon like the current Allagans and thus it will remain accessible. If anyone wants to obtain it for any reason, it will be reasonably obtainable.

I wonder if you have actually played the FFXIII trinity (just using this game as an example, it could be any game with a sequel). Making players to go through the full Zodiac quest to obtain it in 3.0 is like, you're that excited fan boy who purchased the last installment - Lightning Returns (but you didn't play FFXIII and FFXIII-2) and you saw this beautiful gear that you really wanted to get it then you realized, dafaq, I need to clear FFXIII and FFXIII-2 so that I have the game clear trophy registered in my PS3 for Lightning Returns game to detect and the quest to obtain that weapon will be unlocked. It is certainly not a very great feeling for the customer.

[Amused]

Relic was never meant to be the most accessible weapon. That's what dungeon and tome gear is for. That is the accessible gear. Anything outside of that requires commitment.

Also, while I have not played any of the FFXIII games, that comparison is apples and oranges, and if you were going to use that analogy you would also be implying that 2.0 and 3.0 players deserve to get things like the Horn of Dalamud, or White Ravens from 1.0, just because 'they really wanted to get it'. You can't always get what you want.

[Ehayte]

My personal opinion is that way too much dev effort is placed on Relics for how homogenous they are with other weapons. I can get my Nexus weap for 100+ hours of atma/myth/book/alex grind, or I can cap sol 3 times and do ST once. I understand that 6 months ago it might have been a little more worth it to get to Animus, but at the same time, I could get an i95 weap from LeviX and I'd do like 95% as much DPS as someone with Animus.

The returns are NOT worth the time put in. Other games that have items similar to Relics usually offered something unique about the weapon that would make it worth the grind even if the stats wouldn't always be relevant. A "clickie" effect (assign the item to a hot bar) that would increase your damage for a bit, or rez someone for no mana once every 10 minutes, or what have you. Then the ridiculously long quests are worth the advantage that you get from it.

I know that they are saying they don't want to reward people that can put in huge hours to get the weapons by giving them major advantages over players who can't. That's fine. All I'm saying is that I think I have like 2 books done on an Animus and I don't think I'll ever go further. It's way too easy to get something comparable for 1/10th of the work. If they gave my PLD a clickie that increased by MND by 700% for 15 seconds that I could use every 30 minutes I'd be all over that ish. Poppin' Cures on the MT or myself in dire straights.