Latest comment from Yoshida regarding Housing + Inventory space issue

[TeaTimeBear]

this is my point with atma both jp and NA (which na has a history of rarely having any threads reaching 100 pages besides the daily ones people hop on for fun) had very big threads complaining about something they didn't like. it's not often you get na and jp to agree so well but look here the threads about housing don't last very long.

Did you skip the part about threads here being wiped in their post?

[Musashidon]

Did you skip the part about threads here being wiped in their post?

yea don't see your point here. threads about everything have been deleted, atma, marriage, ect ect. doesn't add anything.

[Teryaani]

this is my point with atma both jp and NA (which na has a history of rarely having any threads reaching 100 pages besides the daily ones people hop on for fun) had very big threads complaining about something they didn't like. it's not often you get na and jp to agree so well but look here the threads about housing don't last very long.

A large part of this early on was due to moderation. I suspect that people are grumbling quietly and adjusting to the new normal. Yoshi told us that this was the way it was and it isn't going to be changing.

For a game this young, I'm hoping this is just a blip and not normal practice going forward. Holding subs will be hard if they issue strings of disappointment. When you've been playing a game for years (everquest/wow), it's easier to tolerate this stuff because there is a large amount of sunk cost involved ("i've played this for years, look how much time I put into it"). It's less tolerable in a game early on.

[Tsuga]

this is my point with atma both jp and NA (which na has a history of rarely having any threads reaching 100 pages besides the daily ones people hop on for fun) had very big threads complaining about something they didn't like. it's not often you get na and jp to agree so well but look here the threads about housing don't last very long.

Your straw man argument about thread length aside - I think that the point is that we aren't the only ones who are upset. We didn't "misunderstand", there was no translation error, we were misled.

Yoshida explicitly stated that personal housing would have a separate price structure from grand company housing - which implies that the houses themselves would be different from grand company houses (why would the same houses be cheaper just because an individual is purchasing them?), and that personal housing was still in development - zero development time went into allowing us to purchase grand company housing, so where did that development time go?

It's pretty clear what happened here, they left us in the dark for 9 months because they were not sure that they would be able to meet this deliverable - whether it was due to dev time or server issues, and when it came time to shave content off to meet deadlines they just shoehorned personal housing in with grand company housing.


tbh I'm less upset about the poor implementation of personal housing, and more upset that Yoshida tried to place the blame on the players for being upset. I had faith in SE through 1.0, and several decisions in 2.0 have disappointed me, but this is the first time I've really lost faith in SE. To blame the players for his own mistakes flies in the face of everything that Yoshida stood for up until now. It really is a shame.

[Lillia]

Housing prices is a ton lower than when we've originally got ANY housing, or do people not remember those prices? I remember loving the thought of 2-4 mil being a FC housing price. I personally made about 4 mil in about 3 days or so... before personal housing patch. The only problem I see is the shared housing ward with FCs part and tbh when you look at it now, new wards least on my server is filled with NOTHING but personal houses and we all knew that some players were gonna take it all right away, no matter what the result was too so please don't play coy around that either. (Btw, I know communication is gonna be commented about towards this post and honestly... we got even less communication about other stuff I'd personally be far more interested and concerned about than this. Please make a thread about that first before tossing KBs over this small comment.)

Sure they may have said we'd have separated wards, but honestly thats all they really "lied" about. They said it'd be cheaper than what housing was at the time and IT IS. Besides, housing is decorating, bird raising and MAYBE gardening if you have the time and patience. (Are you really so bored that you're fighting just to play harvest moon on FF? Well honestly harvest moon produces crops faster so... even that's an insult.)

Want my FC house? I'll hand that garden over to you guys personally seeing it's just about NEVER used. (Just stables which is cause I'm too lazy to level my bird anymore. Not even for the color feature anymore.)

Btw, no offense to OP but Ima stick with this. Dev Post mostly because "Also please note, this is from memory so it won't be correct word by word, but it is the gist of it." < That was based off of memory, not typed from the source... >.< Sorry OP, but I feel sometimes stuff can be misinterpreted and/or conveyed wrongly varied by situations.

[Tsuga]

Sure they may have said we'd have separated wards, but honestly thats all they really "lied" about. They said it'd be cheaper than what housing was at the time and IT IS. Besides, housing is decorating, bird raising and MAYBE gardening if you have the time and patience. (Are you really so bored that you're fighting just to play harvest moon on FF? Well honestly harvest moon produces crops faster so... even that's an insult.)

They lied about pricing, whether or not prices now are cheaper than they were before it was explicitly stated that personal housing would be cheaper than grand company housing - not that they would be cheaper relative to how expensive grand company houses were at the time of the referenced post. This price separation, name separation, as well as the warnings that certain features would not be ready right away for personal houses suggested that personal and grand company housing were separate systems entirely.

People have every right to be upset about SE making statements and then going back on them, especially when it is at the very last possible minute. I don't think that many people appreciate having the wool pulled over their eyes. To disregard this flub is to allow SE to set the precedent that it is okay to mislead us.

Many people were looking forward to personal housing - myself included - just because you were not looking forward to it does not disregard their anticipation. Some people may have been keeping their subs active, or may have even come back to the game in anticipation of this feature. Are you telling them that because you don't care about personal housing that their anticipation for this feature is invalid?

[Teryaani]

Sure they may have said we'd have separated wards, but honestly thats all they really "lied" about. They said it'd be cheaper than what housing was at the time and IT IS. Besides, housing is decorating, bird raising and MAYBE gardening if you have the time and patience.

No, the price you pay for a personal house = the price you pay for an FC house. They are no cheaper. The statement from Yoshi was that they would cost less than FC housing. This is why that is called out as a "lie", because, without correcting that statement, that's how it looks to the player base.

This is completely about communication.

Here's the thing, I suspect that there was a reason they didn't adjust player's expectations. I can't imagine that a company with the organization and size of square would just have that slip their minds. Whatever the reason they thought it was better to not let us know (I'm sure RMT had something to do with it, that or fear or lots of personal FCs) in advance, it was wrong. They miscalculated. To repeat my earlier statement, I at least hope they've learned something and will do better about this in the future.

[Musashidon]

Are you telling them that because you don't care about personal housing that their anticipation for this feature is invalid?

this is a joke of a argument someone doesn't care about personal housing because we like how it was implemented?

people built up their own expectations over the misinterpretation i give props to yoshi p for being the bigger person and showing that he makes mistakes and that he should word things better when he makes statements so people don't get the wrong idea.

it's better then the players saying no i am right he is wrong. noone perfect even you.

No, the price you pay for a personal house = the price you pay for an FC house. They are no cheaper. The statement from Yoshi was that they would cost less than FC housing. This is why that is called out as a "lie", because, without correcting that statement, that's how it looks to the player base.

once again misinterpretation it wil be cheaper then it was then. but hey what do i know i am just a blind white know right? seeing thats all anyone can say to someone who opposes them

white knight
uninterested

there is no real argument.

[Teryaani]

this is a joke of a argument someone doesn't care about personal housing because we like how it was implemented?

people built up their own expectations over the misinterpretation i give props to yoshi p for being the bigger person and showing that he makes mistakes and that he should word things better when he makes statements so people don't get the wrong idea.

it's better then the players saying no i am right he is wrong. noone perfect even you.

Either you're trolling, or you're a Square employee, or possibly both. Lots of people here have politely explained to you, very clearly, that there is no way this was a misinterpretation. Just stop.

once again misinterpretation it wil be cheaper then it was then. but hey what do i know i am just a blind white know right? seeing thats all anyone can say to someone who opposes them

white knight
uninterested

there is no real argument.

At no point have I accused you of white knighting. You're pulling that out in an effort to distract. You have no actual factual basis for your argument. It's been figuratively shredded and you can't respond outside of this nonsense.

[MageBlack]

I still don't understand why people are upset over the cost of housing... Lied, Mislead, Changed their minds, its all irrelevant if there arent even plots to buy... THAT is the true tragedy regarding the personal housing, its not personal, its a public free for all in limited space...