Hey Yoshi, you said personal housing "will be far more affordable."

[Ganfal]

Are people playing a MMO to be solo offline? Seriously how many people buy houses by themselves to live all alone in current modern world? People buy house because they have family and share the house with many other people. And until the modern era, people did not could not build house by themselves and live by themselves all alone. Even the tents, yurts, and teepees housed more than person. House with no people is really no house at all.

And given the limited server resources it would make a lot more sense to require people to team up and share a house, and the FC house is really good that way. You get all the players meeting getting together and it does feel more like a house. A house for single solo player is just another trophy like a blue bird.

You clearly miss the point. Not sure if you do that by choice or for you're a staff member disguised on your personal account trying to reason a bad choice from your company - trust me, it happens more often than not in this industry, and sorry if I'm wrong.

A game (be it online or not) is NOT the real world, not even something meant to mimic it. It's a place you go when you want to take a break and have fun - be it alone, with some strangers or with your online friends.

That's the point: an MMO is all about choices. If you want to do something - specially something that was hyped for so long - you can do it in a reasonable way. You want top level gear with your FC? Great, do Coil. Want top level gear by playing by yourself? Good, farm Sands. Want some fancy hat but rather not craft it? Buy it. Want it "for free"? Level both a Disciple of the Land and of the Hand and craft it. I don't even mention how fast or slow is each option. But you DO have reasonable options.

What options you have if you want to raise your Chocobo above 10 and wanna do it alone? What choice do you have if you want to dye it by yourself? What if you want to put all those furnitures your retainers brought back in some use, but you can't buy a personal house because all lots have been taken by the uber rich?

Being the personal houses a feature so hyped by SE and so anticipated by everyone, having a house should be an option, not some luxury.

[NyarukoW]

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Being the personal houses a feature so hyped by SE and so anticipated by everyone, having a house should be an option, not some luxury. ... Why it must take some unreasonable effort to do so alone?

Why is the effort unreasonable? Also I don't recall SE hyping personal housing, but I sure do see player here hyping or wishfully thinking about it on the forums. Isn't minecraft a better game if you want to build houses or monuments?

I did not get in FFXIV ARR to get a house in game. That was never the intent. The FC getting a house seemed kind of silly until people from the FC were gathering their meeting up and working together on stuff. But without the people, it is not all that interesting. I like how I can get the seeds, and then someone else can manage the garden and then they help me color my chocobo which I would be completely at a loss if I were to figure it out by myself.

[Snugglebutt]

Why is the effort unreasonable? Also I don't recall SE hyping personal housing, but I sure do see player here hyping or wishfully thinking about it on the forums. Isn't minecraft a better game if you want to build houses or monuments?

I did not get in FFXIV ARR to get a house in game. That was never the intent. The FC getting a house seemed kind of silly until people from the FC were gathering their meeting up and working together on stuff. But without the people, it is not all that interesting. I like how I can get the seeds, and then someone else can manage the garden and then they help me color my chocobo which I would be completely at a loss if I were to figure it out by myself.

You don't seem to grasp what you want is irrelevant because you already got what you wanted, this thread is people asking for something they want in addition to what you have. Your either trolling or spiteful. One or the other. Why you play the game has nothing to do with why others might and your not so special that what you want or why you do something is more important than thousands of other people who might want something different or to do something a different way.

[NyarukoW]

You don't seem to grasp what you want is irrelevant because you already got what you wanted, this thread is people asking for something they want in addition to what you have.
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I am actually worried that if there were too many house easily accessible the FCs would all be destroyed. I rather keep personal housing hard to get so the FC will be favored. That is my fear.

[Souljacker]

I am actually worried that if there were too many house easily accessible the FCs would all be destroyed. I rather keep personal housing hard to get so the FC will be favored. That is my fear.

This doesn't even make any sense. How does SE giving me a basic room to have a flowerpot in encroach in ANY WAY on a FC?
This isn't FFXIV: Corporate America. In fact, there's far too much tied to FC's as it is. They should have left it at guild perks and let that be the end of it, but now we have this entire system revolving around players sinking tens of millions of gil into their groups when all they wanted was a basic place to put a chair and a couple portraits.

[Kallera]

This doesn't even make any sense. How does SE giving me a basic room to have a flowerpot in encroach in ANY WAY on a FC?
This isn't FFXIV: Corporate America. In fact, there's far too much tied to FC's as it is. They should have left it at guild perks and let that be the end of it, but now we have this entire system revolving around players sinking tens of millions of gil into their groups when all they wanted was a basic place to put a chair and a couple portraits.

There is far too much riding on membership and already established FCS and not enough on alliances/group activities for more than 8 players.

Oddly this lack of interest in new fcs may have been by design. Not so much because of this, but through the additional perks and growing demands of fc points.

[EdwinLi]

I am actually worried that if there were too many house easily accessible the FCs would all be destroyed. I rather keep personal housing hard to get so the FC will be favored. That is my fear.

FC house ended quite bad for younger or less developed FCs.

The Larger FCs manage to survive now because of the players they obtained but ever since FC Housing was released the lower FCs have lost members before they could develop properly into a solid FC since they couldn't afford a FC Housing fast enough.

FC Housing now has become a demand/requirement for people who want to join a FC which cripples younger FCs from developing until they can obtain their own FC House to satisfy FC members need for Housing content like Chocobo raising and Gardening.

[Titor]

FC house ended quite bad for younger or less developed FCs.

Yeah, the more you add to FCs, the harder it gets for new FCs to start, and the easier it is for Super-FC's to stay on top. This same thing happened in WoW, before guilds on there had ranks, there were plenty of small community-based guilds, then they added guild ranking and guild perks and it has mostly killed the smaller

Here too, people have the mentality that small FC's without a house are 'less serious' or 'more casual' of a FC, and this will really stunt the growth of many FC's that could have been. It is hard enough getting a FC/guild off of the ground, it is even harder when you are level 1 without a house and no real reason for someone to join your FC over one of the super FC's. (Not just talking about groups of friends or whatever, a new player would likely join a super FC for perks and such over a small level 1 FC with no perks that is just getting off the ground)

[Snugglebutt]

@NyarukoW

So I was right, spiteful is the category you fall into out of the two examples I gave it would seem. Essentially your scared that given the choice people even in your own FC would want a personal house so out of spite you want to deny them what they might want (despite pretending to be their friend given a real friend would want their friends to be happy), even though they might not even want a personal house themselves all because you personally do not want your own place or want to give them the option of one. There is also no rule to say personal houses can't be developed so that a person can be part of a FC house and have own house too.

Also like I said an FC is not like a family home, it is more like a commune in which 100 or more random people who have no relation to each other might live at and hang out, it is nothing like a personal home or even a family home which is normally a single person or couple in a relationship with or without children. Personal housing currently is not 'hard' to get...it is 'impossible' to get for a large majority of the games population which is a major problem with land plot system.

[NyarukoW]

... spiteful is the category you fall into ....

Huh "spiteful"? I don't even know how that applies. I not tried to stop anyone from getting house or worked against anyone trying to get a personal. I would prefer housing to stay as FC exclusive as it has been. And certainly don't mind SE slow rolling the personal house as they are doing.

BTW I asked around in the FC and the multiple LSes I am in, whether if anyone got a house or want one. My sample size is limited and but out of 250 or so odd players asked only 2 had bothered to get a house, where as everyone else was generally "meh" about it. I didn't see anyone get mad about how they can't get a house like the way people are on the forums here, and these are not shy people or anything. If the houses were given out for free, they would take it, but they didn't want to save the 3.3 mil or so to get one now. There is just too much to do worry about a house on top of everything.