Hey Yoshi, you said personal housing "will be far more affordable."

[NyarukoW]

You don't seem to grasp what you want is irrelevant because you already got what you wanted, this thread is people asking for something they want in addition to what you have.
.....

I am actually worried that if there were too many house easily accessible the FCs would all be destroyed. I rather keep personal housing hard to get so the FC will be favored. That is my fear.

[Ganfal]

You don't seem to grasp what you want is irrelevant because you already got what you wanted, this thread is people asking for something they want in addition to what you have. Your either trolling or spiteful. One or the other. Why you play the game has nothing to do with why others might and your not so special that what you want or why you do something is more important than thousands of other people who might want something different or to do something a different way.

And that's why I had the impression NyarukoW was an employee from SE, on his/her personal account, trying to reason a bad choice from the company using that kind of post

[Souljacker]

I am actually worried that if there were too many house easily accessible the FCs would all be destroyed. I rather keep personal housing hard to get so the FC will be favored. That is my fear.

This doesn't even make any sense. How does SE giving me a basic room to have a flowerpot in encroach in ANY WAY on a FC?
This isn't FFXIV: Corporate America. In fact, there's far too much tied to FC's as it is. They should have left it at guild perks and let that be the end of it, but now we have this entire system revolving around players sinking tens of millions of gil into their groups when all they wanted was a basic place to put a chair and a couple portraits.

[NyneAlexander]

I like how I can get the seeds, and then someone else can manage the garden and then they help me color my chocobo which I would be completely at a loss if I were to figure it out by myself.

But... but.. the google?

[EdwinLi]

I am actually worried that if there were too many house easily accessible the FCs would all be destroyed. I rather keep personal housing hard to get so the FC will be favored. That is my fear.

FC house ended quite bad for younger or less developed FCs.

The Larger FCs manage to survive now because of the players they obtained but ever since FC Housing was released the lower FCs have lost members before they could develop properly into a solid FC since they couldn't afford a FC Housing fast enough.

FC Housing now has become a demand/requirement for people who want to join a FC which cripples younger FCs from developing until they can obtain their own FC House to satisfy FC members need for Housing content like Chocobo raising and Gardening.

[Snugglebutt]

@NyarukoW

So I was right, spiteful is the category you fall into out of the two examples I gave it would seem. Essentially your scared that given the choice people even in your own FC would want a personal house so out of spite you want to deny them what they might want (despite pretending to be their friend given a real friend would want their friends to be happy), even though they might not even want a personal house themselves all because you personally do not want your own place or want to give them the option of one. There is also no rule to say personal houses can't be developed so that a person can be part of a FC house and have own house too.

Also like I said an FC is not like a family home, it is more like a commune in which 100 or more random people who have no relation to each other might live at and hang out, it is nothing like a personal home or even a family home which is normally a single person or couple in a relationship with or without children. Personal housing currently is not 'hard' to get...it is 'impossible' to get for a large majority of the games population which is a major problem with land plot system.

[Titor]

FC house ended quite bad for younger or less developed FCs.

Yeah, the more you add to FCs, the harder it gets for new FCs to start, and the easier it is for Super-FC's to stay on top. This same thing happened in WoW, before guilds on there had ranks, there were plenty of small community-based guilds, then they added guild ranking and guild perks and it has mostly killed the smaller

Here too, people have the mentality that small FC's without a house are 'less serious' or 'more casual' of a FC, and this will really stunt the growth of many FC's that could have been. It is hard enough getting a FC/guild off of the ground, it is even harder when you are level 1 without a house and no real reason for someone to join your FC over one of the super FC's. (Not just talking about groups of friends or whatever, a new player would likely join a super FC for perks and such over a small level 1 FC with no perks that is just getting off the ground)

[NyarukoW]

... spiteful is the category you fall into ....

Huh "spiteful"? I don't even know how that applies. I not tried to stop anyone from getting house or worked against anyone trying to get a personal. I would prefer housing to stay as FC exclusive as it has been. And certainly don't mind SE slow rolling the personal house as they are doing.

BTW I asked around in the FC and the multiple LSes I am in, whether if anyone got a house or want one. My sample size is limited and but out of 250 or so odd players asked only 2 had bothered to get a house, where as everyone else was generally "meh" about it. I didn't see anyone get mad about how they can't get a house like the way people are on the forums here, and these are not shy people or anything. If the houses were given out for free, they would take it, but they didn't want to save the 3.3 mil or so to get one now. There is just too much to do worry about a house on top of everything.

[Shougun]

I am actually worried that if there were too many house easily accessible the FCs would all be destroyed. I rather keep personal housing hard to get so the FC will be favored. That is my fear.

They could have done the weird thing of actually keeping FC housing separate, so I dont know... they're actually useful.. lol

Instead they made them the exact same, that's SE fault for causing the concern in the first place. It is solvable and funnily enough its solvable by doing what most people want (separating them).

Personally I think having personal housing be one type of instance and FC another type and then connecting them with either a cute End of Time (Chrono Trigger) room that is loaded in all personal housing but is also an actual place in FC would be nice (loaded as in you dont have to "load" zones to get access to the room). Or by making a wild star sort of island/realm and then dotting the sky with other players realms in your FC/friendslist and FC in the center. You could create a bridge from your little zone to a mid zone (End of Time room?) that would work as a buffer between the realms you desire to visit or you could be extra cute and just open up a menu that lists all your friends and FC's houses, mousing over/highlighting one causes you to look at that portion of the sky (closer realms being less star like and more like a bubble world) - when you select one it starts a flight sequence similar to what you see in the opening CS and you fly to their realm.

Anyway, keeping easy access to other realms would mean more likely to visit and FC housing having unique features would also help. I'm saying realm, crystal opening CS, and the like because I think having an aether pocket makes for the most free form housing possibilities (can logically change the land looks and explain the instancing without breaking lore).

However there is a darker side to making FC have unique only features, and all of this exclusive stuff - no one wants to join a FC that can't provide and to provide requires a /serious/ investment. Basically be a rich FC, mega casual FC, or dont be a FC - this issue made worse by the fact that small houses are the most likely to be bought by single players and so you really do need to have a lot of money or you are SOL. (EdwinLi got to it first, and yeah I think it is a big issue for upcoming FC that aren't full of market board players).

Imo SE didnt perform well on either housing system, but at least before players could buy there was some hope for little FC (had a number of small lots depreciating pre 2.38 - now they're all gone, literally all gone). Although SE isn't alone, other MMOs have chosen this district system - in any case I've been most impressed with the instance systems due to their ability for customization, power, and lack of demand issue.

[Kallera]

This doesn't even make any sense. How does SE giving me a basic room to have a flowerpot in encroach in ANY WAY on a FC?
This isn't FFXIV: Corporate America. In fact, there's far too much tied to FC's as it is. They should have left it at guild perks and let that be the end of it, but now we have this entire system revolving around players sinking tens of millions of gil into their groups when all they wanted was a basic place to put a chair and a couple portraits.

There is far too much riding on membership and already established FCS and not enough on alliances/group activities for more than 8 players.

Oddly this lack of interest in new fcs may have been by design. Not so much because of this, but through the additional perks and growing demands of fc points.