Hey Yoshi, you said personal housing "will be far more affordable."

[NyarukoW]

@NyarukoW
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They cocked the whole housing element up from the day they introduced FC housing by making everything a land grab race that was extremely limited in plots
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Yet there lots of all sizes that were not sold before 2.38 went live this week. It was more than enough for the number of FC's out there. People starting their solo FC's rightfully did not need to get houses. And there were houses from defunct FCs that were even reclaimed by the system.

A house without people is just a pretty shrine, like a mausoleum. We don't need a bunch of solo houses that is going be forgotten by players once this phase of newness passes. And who in their right mind just wants to have big empty house by themselves. A house has got to have people and not just one player by themselves, so the FC house was actually really genius. I wish SE would stck to their guns and kept it like that and not caved and let solo player acquire the lots by themselves.

[Risvertasashi]

I wish SE would stck to their guns and kept it like that and not caved and let solo player acquire the lots by themselves.

Personal housing has been on the agenda since 1.x, around when Yoshi came on and started collecting player feedback. This is a lot of things, but SE "caving" and "not sticking to their guns" isn't part of it.

I do wish FC housing stayed FC housing and personal was a separate system, though.

[Snugglebutt]

@NyarukoW

No it does not have to have more than one person in a house and who are you to say others should not be allowed to have such just because you would not want to live alone...If someone wants to live in a house by themselves they should be allowed to do so, if you want to live in house with others than by all means do so but do not tell others they should not be allowed to live alone just because you prefer living with others.

What you want is not a valid excuse to stop others from getting what they want, they had the option of allowing for you to get what you want and others what they want if gone down route of personal housing done in a different manner such as instancing or using wards not linked to FC houses. You could of keep using your FC house if that floats your boat but those who do not want to leave their servers, fiends and FC's to join one with a house should not be forced to do so and if wanted to have their own should of been given the option and that option should of been available to any and all who wanted to make use of it not just the couple percent of player base that will be able to after 2.4.

[Amenian]

Personal housing has been on the agenda since 1.x, around when Yoshi came on and started collecting player feedback. This is a lot of things, but SE "caving" and "not sticking to their guns" isn't part of it.

I do wish FC housing stayed FC housing and personal was a separate system, though.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't personal housing on the agenda long before FC housing was?

[Loki]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't personal housing on the agenda long before FC housing was?

No you are right. That's why it's even more frustrating to have a shitty personal housing like we have.

[NyarukoW]

@NyarukoW

No it does not have to have more than one person in a house and who are you to say others should not be allowed to have such just because you would not want to live alone...

Are people playing a MMO to be solo offline? Seriously how many people buy houses by themselves to live all alone in current modern world? People buy house because they have family and share the house with many other people. And until the modern era, people did not could not build house by themselves and live by themselves all alone. Even the tents, yurts, and teepees housed more than person. House with no people is really no house at all.

And given the limited server resources it would make a lot more sense to require people to team up and share a house, and the FC house is really good that way. You get all the players meeting getting together and it does feel more like a house. A house for single solo player is just another trophy like a blue bird.

[EdwinLi]

As of now if they plan to keep the current Housing system then I think they need a alternate housing system.

Personal Apartment is still a idea as a alternative housing since lore wise the Adventure Guild have enough rooms available for all adventurers but as of now the Apartment rooms are only at a rent level so they can't be modified.

However, adding the ability to make the Inn Apartment Rooms into Personal Apartment Rooms would make a good alternative Housing if lands in certain servers are constantly being sold out due to high population.

[Morningstar1337]

I think part of this is SE underestimating the subscriber number. 1.0 cast a large shadow and turn off a lot of people, they probably expected less people to play than the current amount and are probably still unaware of that number eve when it's staring them in the face.

Is this is the case then it may be a self fulfilling prophecy on SE's part

[Snugglebutt]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't personal housing on the agenda long before FC housing was?

It has been few years since I started back in version 1.0 but if I recall correctly yes it was. I recall everyone was talking about personal housing back then not FC housing. FC housing wasn't originally even a blip on the radar and was implemented I believe as a stop gap measure while personal housing was being developed. But now they have gone and changed direction and screwed up personal housing in a very big way, so much so as I mentioned before a lot of people have left the game already going by what I have personally seen. Hell I was pretty close to not renewing my subscription too when 2.38 came out and their plans for 2.4 was made known. It was one of the things I was most looking forward to as a legacy player on a legacy server. Of course being on a legacy server which is what I started on back in version 1.0 it means the population of it is large and all small housing was gone in seconds.

[Fendred]

We lost around 100 players from our FC shortly after this patch came out, most of which I think was due to the massive failure of meeting players expectations on housing. The incompetent way in which housing was handled and the ridiculous way in which they went about implementing it. Players should all have the option of owning a house if they wanted one, not only a couple percent of the entire subscriber base having the option of owning one. They need to fix this and 2.4 doubling of wards is not going to solve it.

They've made it clear to a lot of us that they do not consider our feedback as important when it comes to the direction of FFXIV:ARR. I've been waiting to see if they were reacting to feedback from 2.0 with the expansion, and its clear not two cents were given on SE's part to respond to the feedback. The housing is just another one of many broken promises. He wants a game that funnels people into raiding either by intention or by unintentionally copying the most common MMORPG models. There were some great suggestions about making houses a gateway to further content going all the way back before FC houses existed, but SE didn't take the hint.

And before someone says "but the forums only represent a small number of the people playing." Yeah, well, we're the only ones giving feedback and they said they were going to take feedback. SE isn't psychic and has no way to know what people want unless they actually say something.