Hey Yoshi, you said personal housing "will be far more affordable."

[Volcano]

If your main point is to tell everyone something they already, I think you're wasting your time.

Exactly, why did i even bother? Bored i guess. it kept me busy while i waited on something so it wasn't a total loss. this is a complain thread after all. what is there to do if you don't treat it as such.

Since a video game forum is a pretty informal place; it's allowed. At least you tried to improve your post, so have a gold star.

Since a video game forum is a pretty informal place; it's allowed. At least you tried to improve your post, so have a gold star.

Oh, sorry, i forgot kids like to use slang mostly, but my point is that someone who attacks grammar because he can't think of a valid argument but uses slang and not a proper way of talking makes him a hypocrite.

You however, get a silver star, you lost points for trying to point out something to look good even if i already know. meet me after class.

[Kardayel]

Yea, but what can you do? but wait it out and see what happens. Complain about it. Which is what is happening here.

yep, maybe if we complain enough they'll use the money of our subscriptions to hire an engineer and a communication adviser... that'll help them...

[Giantbane]

Most of the legacy zones, unfortunately, were in stark contrast to this.

Right, I understand the legacy problem. There's a lot of gil and a lot of players that enjoy this type of thing (being very loyal legacy players and all). I would hope whatever upgrades they're doing will allow them to create many more plots for the legacy server where there is a legitimate issue. But I wonder if all the people on smaller servers crying foul have checked their zones to see what's available. As I understood it, Ultros is (or was) one of the bigger non-legacy servers and the housing did not all get snatched up 8 minutes after release.

[Magis]

Oh, sorry, i forgot kids like to use slang mostly, but my point is that someone who attacks grammar because he can't think of a valid argument but uses slang and not a proper way of talking makes him a hypocrite.

Yes, only kids use slang, suuuuuure. Also he did, you just started raging about sticks up asses (or something, that post was too much of a mess to figure out).

[timwind]

i'm leader of FC with a house already, i don't see the point to buy a personal house if it means that other FC will have no house and soo far only 2 day after the release on ragnarok the number of house left are not big.

Same here. I bought a medium house for my previous FC (20m). I technically quit the FC and formed another one as my personal house (22m) prior to 2.35. I will not like the idea of instanced housing. I firmly believe the situation will be better in 2.4 (or 2.41) as SE will provide software based solution for more wards.

[Volcano]

You realize that both medium and large houses are currently 'instanced' right. And they are most def. NOT 'pea-sized'.

By instancing personal housing, they could have created something larger than an inn-room/FC personal room, customizable and not attached to the success of other players (ala FC rooms are tied to your FC existing and remaining in that house+you know, not booting you).

Instancing takes up far less 'server memory' than open-world takes up. So they could more easily offer more players more room. Furthermore, they STILL could have charged top dollar for said spaces if the 'gil circulation' was the concern.

So there's dumb here....but it's not the complainers.

YOU do realize i was not talking about the instances houses right? and pea sized comment was towards the inn rooms.

Yep, dumb is here, if it's not the complainers. i think you just called your self out.

Yes, only kids use slang, suuuuuure. Also he did, you just started raging about sticks up asses (or something, that post was too much of a mess to figure out).

Yes, because i said only kids use slang, and no, he didn't in fact you had this backwards as he was the 1st one to attack a post without reading it properly. if by a mess meaning you did not read it at all and just skimmed it to blindly protect him because you wanted brownie points. then yes.

[Tadacho]

Mentioned this elsewhere but I did some number crunching and definitely come to the conclusion that they should have instanced this. How can they possibly hope to keep adding more and more wards, there is always going to be a demand for a personal house. They are painting themselves into a corner, surely?

Per server there are 3 districts * 8 wards * 30 houses = 720 houses.

There are 64 servers * 720 houses = 46,080 houses total.

They plan to double this in 2.4 to 92,160 houses.

Sounds like a lot, however, they boast there are over 2,500,000 players in this game.

This equates to a mediocre 3.68% of the player base being able to own a house, at any one time. Even if the 2.5 mil number is over exaggerated or doesn't account for alts/rmts, the number is still going to be high and the % low.

3.68%!

[Niwashi]

Good idea. Maybe SE apply the limit so everyone will quit FFXIV. BTW there is a limitation on instance server. You will not be able to enter coil if the instance is full. However, the limitation is not 4 or 8.

But that instance server limitation doesn't permanently lock people out. The equivalent to the housing system would be if only the first few parties to enter Coil would have access to Coil at all. They can play it as often as they like, but nobody else on the entire server can enter Coil for the next couple months. After those couple months, people get another chance to try and be one of the very few first people to get there. But if you're still not first in line, then you still can't do Coil. Maybe wait for a later patch and hope another couple parties get invited in.

You CAN certainly access the house if you have 80mil or 30mil.

Not unless you're among the first 1% to get there. After that, no amount of gil will help you.


EDIT:

Are you telling there is no Medium/Large plots available in your server now? Marlboro has plenty of medium/large house available, even small house in new wards.

I'm telling you that no matter what server you're talking about, once 120 small plots, 72 medium plots, and 18 large plots are bought (by either FCs or individuals), then no amount of gil will allow anyone else to buy one. It's not about whether that limit has been hit yet (which it has on many servers but not all). It's about the fact that that limit is set to 1% of the number of players (even if we ignored the fact that many of those houses were already taken by FCs). The other 99% of the players have no chance at all of getting any of the housing plots. (And even in another couple months will only get another 1% chance at one.)

[Kinseykinz]

YOU do realize i was not talking about the instances houses right? and pea sized comment was towards the inn rooms.

Yep, dumb is here, if it's not the complainers. i think you just called your self out.


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Nice try. But your comment was a direct response to another poster who offered you a suggestion on how they could 'fix' housing, which you asked for btw.

Lets journey down your rabbit hole for a moment:

Then explain how, show me some options and ways how housing could have been implemented for everyone, that seems to be no problem to do based on you and every other person ignorant to how this works knows thus far, All i am seeing is complaining just to complain, "oh.. well i have no idea how this works but....do it anyway! just do it!"

Hell lets take the most populated server and show me in full detail how every single person that can afford housing will be able to get it. i'll be waiting.

Response:

The same way everyone can access an inn room, a personal fc room, or a moghouse in ffxi: An Instance. It's not rocket surgery.

To which you responded:

Oh you mean those pea sized rooms? i'm sure that works the same way, right? you know full well how i guess.

To much dumb here, i was warned not to fight agaisnt the complainers here. it's like telling kids not to play in mud, they just don't care and want you to go away. gotcha.

So yes, you knew exactly what was being suggested, and you basically made it sound like in order for something to be instanced, it would have to be small. My point is we already have instanced housing which is NOT that small and therefore you have no grounds to assume that if they offered personal housing in an instanced setting the rooms would be small. Stop suggesting others are dumb because you don't agree with them. Most people arguing with you actually seem to understand the topic, and it's limitations better than you do.

[Magis]

I don't understand why instancing is such a difficult concept to understand. Unlike static zones (ie: Eastern Thanalan), an instance doesn't exist all the time. An instance only exists as long as there are players to occupy that zone. When a player enters, a copy of the zone template is created... when everyone leaves, it is destroyed. This already happens with various story line zones (and is how SE makes the game seem to progress like when all the dead bodies were in the Waking Sands), the inn, and FC houses (not wards). The server limitations at the moment are most likely a ward problem not a house problem. If creating instances was a limitation, then NO instance would be possible because at launch, huge populations of people were generating more instances doing the main storyline quest (Waking Sands) or going into the inn (back when sanctuary was not applied in the cities, only in the inn). The issue is most likely a hard cap on the maximum zone ids available for SE to use. If you look at a certain open source FFXI server (not linking), you'd see the game had a max cap of 256 zone ids available (due to the size of the parameter in the packet). This means the game could not reference more zones unless a rework of the underlining network code was changed. This is most likely the case with FFXIV... adding more wards lowers the amount of zones available, restricting how many SE can use later on for expansions and stuff. I'd hope that they used a large data type (say a short or long instead of a byte) so they are not restricted, but they may have to save bandwidth.

Course, I don't know anything about how FFXIV ARR's network code is setup and it could be totally different, but I wouldn't be surprised if some of the ideas got lifted from previous MMOs SE made.

The dungeons are slightly different. The concept is the same, however they run on a separate server.

PS: I think this is why the server kicks you out of the house when you log off. The instance may not exist when you log back in, so it puts you in the ward which WILL exist. Also, since there will be 1440 zones for housing, if the above is true, it's obviously not capped at 256 (1 byte, 8bits). Depending on how large their data type is... it could be anywhere from 65536 (2 bytes, 16bit) to 1.8446744e+19 (8bytes, 64-bit). Edit: Sorry, there will be 48 wards (1440 houses), so this may still be the case... a limit of 256.