No FC room, no personal house... big deal??

[Niwashi]

What is all this fuss about personal house prices? If it is too high, don't buy it and wait for the price to come down.

The houses were all gone within minutes. There are no prices to come down. They're gone.

So why are all the people raging because they must feel they are important.

Well, important enough that when we pay for something we expect to actually get what we're paying for. That particular importance is something that all customers in all industries expect and are entitled to. We're paying for this game. We should be entitled to have access to actually playing this game, including its housing system.

More wards will be added.

It's already been confirmed that it's only a trivially tiny number of new wards will be added in the next major patch. That will sell out within minutes again (while meanwhile it takes my system and many other people's several hours just to download a patch, so there's no way we'll ever be able to be in game while there are house plots for sale.)

Providing housing for less than 1% of the playerbase and leaving the remaining 99% with nothing does not by any stretch of the imagination qualify as providing "Personal Housing".

Thanks for doing the math there. Of course this is pure speculation, but say they add 2 wards per month matches SE's patch cycle time more or less, that comes to 24 wards a year and in 4 years time that is 96 wards. Has every player now even banked the 4mil or so for a small house? So you don't need all 347 right now. SE doesn't have to buy all that server hardware today, and they just need to buy enough of as time goes forward.

So your argument is that it's ok because if they increase their rate of adding wards that much it would only take 15 years before they have enough houses for the players who are paying for it now?

[NyarukoW]

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Providing housing for less than 1% of the playerbase and leaving the remaining 99% with nothing does not by any stretch of the imagination qualify as providing "Personal Housing".

Yet they have FC's that go stale, and houses being reclaimed by the system. How does stuff like that happen? The 1% that have cash today get the houses today, and then that's it. The other 99% never saved up anyways. So what is the problem here?

You can get your personal housing by getting a room in the FC house. But people forget about that too. Personally I would prefer if they just left it like that. People should have an strong incentive to be part of a FC.

[Rhas]

You can get your personal housing by getting a room in the FC house. But people forget about that too. Personally I would prefer if they just left it like that. People should have an strong incentive to be part of a FC.

According to several people I've talked to, 1 person bought up 4 houses on our server alone while they were still available. When you release a patch and the whole point of calling it a patch is to release personal housing and you get what we received with how we received it, Theres really not a reason we shouldn't be upset.

1) Housing what supposed to be much cheaper than FC housing.

It isn't.

2) Personal housing was supposed to be completely separate from personal housing.

It isn't. In fact now everyone has to compete for the same small amount of housing including multiple purchases of properties. Even if its false that 1 person bought 4 houses, according to the game that can at least purchase 2 houses per character. One for a FC and one for personal in an extremely limited market. In fact, I know many people that play 2+ accounts at once. Each of those accounts can have 1 FC house and at least 1 personal house. This is not what we were led to believe about personal housing by yoshi himself. Not only did they not give us personal housing, they opened up all housing so individuals can purchase them. ie the very few select people who have extorted and/or controlled the market or just plain got lucky making a killing before the market stabilized or even grabbed onto a niche market and profited massively (yes it is actually happening because friends of mine were in fact threatened in game by a person trying to control prices, which is completely silly and stupid... but it is happening)

3) You can't even share permissions with another person either in a personal room or a private house. Like with your RL spouse. Even LOTRO which has similar housing manages to have custom lists of people with who can access/edit the property. Its really not rocket science.

[HeroSamson]

The houses were all gone within minutes. There are no prices to come down. They're gone.

Okay read what you just said.

So imagine if the houses were lower price like he said, there is a 95% chance you wouldn't of gotten a house because your above post would of been seconds.

Even if you logged out in the 3 home cities someone also has did the same, which would mean all this fuss over high prices wouldn't of mattered if they were low prices as well.

[Niwashi]

So imagine if the houses were lower price like he said, there is a 95% chance you wouldn't of gotten a house because your above post would of been seconds.

Even if you logged out in the 3 home cities someone also has did the same, which would mean all this fuss over high prices wouldn't of mattered if they were low prices as well.

If the system were set up properly, then the prices could have been set reasonably as well. The real problem is they set up a housing system with a limited number of available plots. Personal housing requires a system that allows as many houses as there are players. Any issues with the pricing are secondary to that. They have to fix the main problem in availability before fixing the price problem would be meaningful. (But eventually, they need to fix both problems.)

[NyarukoW]

...The real problem is they set up a housing system with a limited number of available plots. Personal housing requires a system that allows as many houses as there are players. ...

The question is why is availability a problem? Why don't people want to share the FC houses? What is so wrong with sharing and working together? Why is it we hear about people buying up 4 small houses instead of sharing and building a FC that can buy the 1 big one?

I would really hate it if the house became lonely and empty with no one going there. And before you know it 35 days, the FC might be around but their houses are all going defunct and getting reclaimed because no one uses them.

[vp_cmc]

The question is why is availability a problem? Why don't people want to share the FC houses? What is so wrong with sharing and working together? Why is it we hear about people buying up 4 small houses instead of sharing and building a FC that can buy the 1 big one?

I would really hate it if the house became lonely and empty with no one going there. And before you know it 35 days, the FC might be around but their houses are all going defunct and getting reclaimed because no one uses them.

Because of gardening for example. Your fc leader can easily throw away all crops that you've planted and was growing for several days before. Or any member with sufficient rights.

Oh, and you should have rights in FC to do gardening and\or stables.

[RakaMaimhov]

Why is it we hear about people buying up 4 small houses instead of sharing and building a FC that can buy the 1 big one?

The person in question who bought 4 houses actually also has 4 rank 6+ Free companies all with houses already.

According to several people I've talked to, 1 person bought up 4 houses on our server alone while they were still available.

This is referring to the same person as above, and I can confirm they have 4 houses. They are in the same ward as a friend in my FC. :3

I've got nothing against the player with 8+ total houses. They're a nice person. I personally think it's a bit unfair that they can take advantage of the limited housing this way at the disadvantage of other players. That's a LOT of gardening space.

[HeroSamson]

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I believe SE needs to scrap the idea after 2.4 and stop wasting time on housing and produce more content.

If this is the way the community is going to act over a house then SE should wait a later date.
I keep seeing people saying gardening and the chocobo stable

Well then SE should just give you guys gardening in your INN rooms in town and chocobo ranch or something like they did in FF7 and let people leave their chocobos there and color them.

Too me the small house I got is useless its only there to play dress up if anything it was a huge gil waste I make no gil off gardening what you spend on seed and soil because market is flooded.

pretty soon after those plots get houses all the chocobo food and coloring foods will probably be around 50 gil a piece lol the one who cares about the house is my woman

But it won't make sense because furnishing couldn't be used that is crafted which would make the price drop.

SE wasn't really thinking ahead on this and why I say scrap and bring it back a later date.

[polyphonica]

Well then SE should just give you guys gardening in your INN rooms in town and chocobo ranch or something like they did in FF7 and let people leave their chocobos there and color them.

Actually, during the 14-hour broadcast, they did mention that they were planning on providing a way for people to access the chocobo training features even without a house. So I suspect this is actually something that is in the works. If they could do this and provide a way for people to garden either within inn rooms or personal rooms in FC housing, that would probably help quell some of the current frustration with the lack of space while they work to expand capacity.