No FC room, no personal house... big deal??

[NyarukoW]

..When house prices come down? You do realise most servers have already sold out right? Their is nothing to come down from

More wards will be added. The space is only finite at any given time, but over time more space can and will be added. Disk space is cheap really. More wards can always be added. I thought people like to have stuff to work towards. So if you can't get the house today, that is no reason to get mad, unless you believe you are special.

[Gerolan]

More wards will be added next patch, and with the amount they announced it wouldn't even cover 5% of the player base
Again just because you don't feel special over it, doesn't mean others can't show their disappointment.
Am I special? Never assumed I was, just an average player, but your also neglecting to realise this new system also locks out FCs from owning a house now if they didn't before, as all wards sold out or only large (70-80mil) left

[Darcon]

More wards will be added. The space is only finite at any given time, but over time more space can and will be added. Disk space is cheap really. More wards can always be added. I thought people like to have stuff to work towards. So if you can't get the house today, that is no reason to get mad, unless you believe you are special.

lets see first off 2 more wards is plain and simple not enough, those who do get the houses will benifit first and foremost from the gardening which means they either save more gil or make more. two people like having stuff to work towards but something that is reasonable, the prices are exactly the same as it is with FC's which was ment to be a group effort, my FC didn't get a house until 4 months after the initial release of them. Personal housing is supposed to be affordable not cost the same as a full blown FC which shows that this whole thing is full of broken promises and honestly either lazyness or lack of foresight

[Gerolan]

Essentially that's the key thing darcon, when as an FC we had to club together to buy a house it was a big thing and all contributed, but having to pay the same price for the same thing but on your own, feels like such a slap

[Gralna]

More wards will be added. The space is only finite at any given time, but over time more space can and will be added. Disk space is cheap really. More wards can always be added. I thought people like to have stuff to work towards. So if you can't get the house today, that is no reason to get mad, unless you believe you are special.

there are only 30 plots per ward, currently 8 wards for each of the 3 city factions, yoshi is planning to double that in 2.4 which bring grand total to 1440 plots. This game has roughly 2 million subs and 64 servers, bringing average subs of each server to 31250. That would mean each server would need 347 wards for each city faction, and that's not including plots already taken up by FCs.


Such a limited amount of recycled content for something they promised us 9 months ago, that is why so many people are upset. This in itself doesn't really affect me since I'm happy with my personal room. But too pretend that this is a non issue for those that truly do enjoy side content, is either ignorant or trollish.

Noticed you only have 1 lvl 50, only other classes you have lvld are your prereq for job and a few lvls of botanist. Also fairly obvious all of your gear is from tomes/hunts. Rarest minion a slime puddle, rest are story/side-quest/fate/veteran/bonus. All your mounts are bonus/veteran. Fairly obvious you play this like this game is a platformer, beat the story then move on. Some people actually enjoy taking time to explore ALL of a game, maybe you should take time to see game from their point of view instead of putting them down for their preferred play style

[NyarukoW]

I think people have a incorrect expectation of what affordable means. How many people in real life can buy house with cash?

So what is affordable housing really mean? If house are all 50K so any level 30-ish character can buy a house outright? Is that what is affordable?

Why do people fixate on 850K? That is just players that got to level 50 on a couple of combat classes. Why is that the definition of affordable?

If you want a house now, go get a loan from a FC or something, and you can surely make the weekly payments to pay it back right? That can be affordable.

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there are only 3 plots per ward, currently 8 wards for each of the 3 city factions, yoshi is planning to double that in 2.4 which bring grand total to 1440 plots. This game has roughly 2 million subs and 64 servers, bringing average subs of each server to 31250. That would mean each server would need 347 wards for each city faction, and that's not including plots already taken up by FCs.

Thanks for doing the math there. Of course this is pure speculation, but say they add 2 wards per month matches SE's patch cycle time more or less, that comes to 24 wards a year and in 4 years time that is 96 wards. Has every player now even banked the 4mil or so for a small house? So you don't need all 347 right now. SE doesn't have to buy all that server hardware today, and they just need to buy enough of as time goes forward. That subscription money should be good for something right?

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Essentially that's the key thing darcon, when as an FC we had to club together to buy a house it was a big thing and all contributed, but having to pay the same price for the same thing but on your own, feels like such a slap

This is an MMO. The FC should bring people together. People trying to do all things solo should not have it that easy. It is no slap. But people can choose to feel however they like.

[Resolute]

What if they only let 5% of the player population get Coil gear, and said that others will be able to get their own at some indefinite point in the future? Would that be okay? No, no it would not. And that is not even a great analogy because personal housing, by its nature, should be reasonably obtainable by the average player. It made sense for FC housing because as a group they had to ban together and get the house. As an individual player...well, IMO, they shouldn't have even made personal housing the same as FC housing. I think many people would have been okay with an instanced personal house.

[Niwashi]

What is all this fuss about personal house prices? If it is too high, don't buy it and wait for the price to come down.

The houses were all gone within minutes. There are no prices to come down. They're gone.

So why are all the people raging because they must feel they are important.

Well, important enough that when we pay for something we expect to actually get what we're paying for. That particular importance is something that all customers in all industries expect and are entitled to. We're paying for this game. We should be entitled to have access to actually playing this game, including its housing system.

More wards will be added.

It's already been confirmed that it's only a trivially tiny number of new wards will be added in the next major patch. That will sell out within minutes again (while meanwhile it takes my system and many other people's several hours just to download a patch, so there's no way we'll ever be able to be in game while there are house plots for sale.)

Providing housing for less than 1% of the playerbase and leaving the remaining 99% with nothing does not by any stretch of the imagination qualify as providing "Personal Housing".

Thanks for doing the math there. Of course this is pure speculation, but say they add 2 wards per month matches SE's patch cycle time more or less, that comes to 24 wards a year and in 4 years time that is 96 wards. Has every player now even banked the 4mil or so for a small house? So you don't need all 347 right now. SE doesn't have to buy all that server hardware today, and they just need to buy enough of as time goes forward.

So your argument is that it's ok because if they increase their rate of adding wards that much it would only take 15 years before they have enough houses for the players who are paying for it now?

[NyarukoW]

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Providing housing for less than 1% of the playerbase and leaving the remaining 99% with nothing does not by any stretch of the imagination qualify as providing "Personal Housing".

Yet they have FC's that go stale, and houses being reclaimed by the system. How does stuff like that happen? The 1% that have cash today get the houses today, and then that's it. The other 99% never saved up anyways. So what is the problem here?

You can get your personal housing by getting a room in the FC house. But people forget about that too. Personally I would prefer if they just left it like that. People should have an strong incentive to be part of a FC.

[SeraviEdalborez]

Why are people complaining about a total optional vanity acquisition? Maybe they should have gated this behind a grind like atma?

Because it's not a total vanity thing?

Things you "miss" by not having a house:

-Chocobo stables: If you're not even part of a FC (that owns a house), you can't even do this. Speaking of...
-Gardening: A massive bottleneck due to sheer lack of people that do it.
-Material Supplier: Access to a very convenient merchant. Nothing they sell is unobtainable elsewhere but it's wonderful to have all in one place.
-Extremely cheap teleport: If I have Return in Grid, FC teleport to Uldah, and personal teleport to Mist I'm pretty set to save a lot of money teleporting and can put my free/favored in other locations.
-Ideal layout of QoL featues: Every city either has the mail moogle, market boards, or summoning bell in annoying locations (not near an aethernet shard). You can eliminate this depending on what house you buy. A very minor QoL boost.

Shall I go on?

The fact that every small on Hyperion was bought out within 3 hours (Mist within the first hour) should tell you something. The other sizes will be soon to follow. 2.4 doubling the available plots will not be much better, especially if they also decide to raise the prices again.