Goodbye cleric stance.. you will be sorely missed

[Zyphione]

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I can sympathize as I have played a scholar in PvP in every opportunity, the ability to defend myself was very important and using stance at the wrong time has caused me to be defeated more than once. I will focus just on my MRD and DRG/MNK in PvP for now then, I hoped to at least outline why the stance was banned in PvP for everyone to notice

[Lucke]

Have you never been hit with heavy when on a mount? Because it can be really hard to evade someone when that happens (mostly when they are ranged.)

Also here is the next kicker, it won't be a stalemate because the healer won't be able to heal; interrupts are a bitch to deal with.

You have multiple ways to get rid of debuffs on a healer. Use one of them and get back to your team. And your a SCH, if for some reason you get bound/stunned/whatever and for some reason you don't bother Leeching it off, you have a fairy keeping you alive long enough for it to fade.

[Lycinder]

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Oh wow, calm down man.
Scholar has not much in the way of binds so what do we do?
Yes healers had a silly amount of damage in their hands which was why I was completely going to accept a dps nerf, but the straight out removal of cleric stance is both lazy and not very thought out well, I mean with the buff on dps classes already a good monk could beat me down quite often, we could make ourselves a target since we generally had high survivability, also what are you lot doing not in the mosh pit, FIGHT. ON. THE. FLAG. That is frontlines 101...Seriously...What, I think I can only accept seeing BLMs not in the fray because they don't need to be most of the time.

You have multiple ways to get rid of debuffs on a healer. Use one of them and get back to your team. And your a SCH, if for some reason you get bound/stunned/whatever and for some reason you don't bother Leeching it off, you have a fairy keeping you alive long enough for it to fade.

Leech has a cast time, no matter how short I have seen it be interrupted...Often
Eos is not really reliable enough to outheal a dps, if a tank has picked me out sure maybe I will live but a good dps, nope.
Actually let make a thought based example -
On mount heading back, Dps puts a heavy on me
Off mount sigh, pop weakened bio and Miasma II, leeches...Interrupted, decide to swift leeches run a distance gets back on mount
Dps follows chase and puts another heavy on
FFS

[Seoulstar]

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What a lovely generalization you have there. Not every whm runs into a fight spamming holy, in all honesty..I rarely see it Also, why shouldn't a healer engage in a 1 vs 1? It's pvp, the healer should be able to defend itself, not just "Oh my god, an enemy! I'm going to run away!" Out of all the games I have played. This is the only one where I've seen this.

Another thing, removing your debuff isn't really an easy thing to do, when the slightest poke will interrupt your casting and don't say the whole swiftcast, surecast thing. Those two can be countered. Let alone, the "crappy" roamer is really someone who is just capturing the posts while people leave it open and he won't just sit there and watch you run off. Last but not least, you fail to mention anything about scholar healing in pvp despite that's the class that took the biggest impact from it.

[Lycinder]

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We have a bind...WUT...Is it one of the pvp skills because then I might of overlooked or its a thing which uses a cast bar which I generally ignore anyway, shadow flare has a small chance of slowing an enemy so, Yay?
I'm of the percentage of scholars who don't have stoneskin since it is useless to us most of the time (adlo shield is more and just...Better stoneskin only has a 30 minute stick on benefit to that) I use my cross class for a different thing, a 300 potency heal is not a "damn near back up to full health" in any sense of the word.

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[Lycinder]

There are ways for a couple dps classes in the know to make us drop our aetherflow to make us unable to use lustrate though yeah we have a 25% X3 heal every 1 minute, if we popped an aetherflow earlier we are still royally boned. I have said leeches has a really short cooldown but it doesn't stop it from getting interrupted, I have only noted it because I sometimes assume it went off and found out shortly afterwards it didn't, the moment I get back on my chocobo I will still likely get heavy again so yeah a lot of time is wasted inbetween.

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[Lycinder]

We fight on the flag because otherwise a lot of stuff becomes useless to us, and it is actually HARDER to target someone in the fray if they are with their group, someone could just look on the sidelines and see a white mage standing out in the open asking to be hit.
One of the ways to effectively capture the flag is to run in with the group and aura blast, you need 4 people to capture so its just better to pile in.
Why am I arguing with someone with what should really be (and from what I have observed is) a common strategy in frontlines...

Also I said calm down because your responses were getting aggressive and you were putting people down, so yeah... Take a breather calm down.

[FaizeD]

I believe the bind they're referring to is Blizz II? Lol okay, that works swell against ranged. Hey BRD, come here so I can lay down dat snare and don't interrupt me.

[Lycinder]

I believe the bind they're referring to is Blizz II? Lol okay, that works swell against ranged. Hey BRD, come here so I can lay down dat snare and don't interrupt me.

You see this is the reason why my hotbar setup for pvp has only my instant cast in close button press range, its because the long cast skills are incredibly situational.
Though Blizz II's bind...I might have to look back and rethink my cross class setup...Stoneskin is still never going to get crossed.

[Copestetic]

What a lovely generalization you have there. Not every whm runs into a fight spamming holy, in all honesty..I rarely see it Also, why shouldn't a healer engage in a 1 vs 1? It's pvp, the healer should be able to defend itself, not just "Oh my god, an enemy! I'm going to run away!" Out of all the games I have played. This is the only one where I've seen this.

Another thing, removing your debuff isn't really an easy thing to do, when the slightest poke will interrupt your casting and don't say the whole swiftcast, surecast thing. Those two can be countered. Let alone, the "crappy" roamer is really someone who is just capturing the posts while people leave it open and he won't just sit there and watch you run off. Last but not least, you fail to mention anything about scholar healing in pvp despite that's the class that took the biggest impact from it.

I count running into a fight spamming Holy with sitting on a node spamming Holy. Or instead of SC'ing Medica II, they SC Holy. Or Blizzard II. Point is, wasting a Swift/Sure for DPS skills is stupid as a WHM/SCH. You're expected to keep the other members of your party alive using the tools available to you; not waste your CD's on damaging skills. That's what those you know, DPS classes are for. Tanks included in FL. Of course, there's exceptions, but none a wanna-be DPS WHM or SCH would want to hear because it's too limiting or boring. God forbid, I know.

No. I don't think a WHM or SCH should sit there and engage in a 1v1 while their team is waiting on them to get back to their node. Or when they're expected to be at mid in 30 seconds. Or when they're party has called out another "inc" and instead of getting there just in the nick of time, they choose to play with some roaming tard from GW2's WvW. Yes, a Healer should be able to defend themselves. This doesn't mean sit there for a minute trying to kill another player. SC Sleep, and go to your designated location. There, you've defended yourself against a would-be attacker.

If you need to cleanse yourself of Heavy, do it. It's that simple. Whether you Sure it or not is up to you. Get it done and Sprint away. If it's a melee interrupting your cleanse, knock them away and cast it. Ranged? SC or Sure Aldo then cast it right after. Problem solved. Granted, against BLM, SCH, and SMN is a little more difficult.

Roamers are different than teams that are running a split to back-cap something. When I say "roamer" I'm specifically talking about the 1v1 extraordinaire. The people who think 1v1 is the epitome of PvP, and feel that all other forms are pointless, and damn working as a team in a game mode designed specifically for team play. You see these types of players sitting at mid, just hoping for a player to show up early. Or skulking around nodes that may or may not need to be capped and chase you all over Frontlines to prove that you're a noob, and they're pro if they kill you somehow.

And what about SCH healing? They're great in PvP. I don't think them losing Cleric Stance does anything to that aspect of their job.