OFFICIAL Eorzea's Next Top Model Discussion Thread

[Tinsley]

yep yep i gotcha. just threw some ideas out there.

[EorzeasNTM]

Heres an idea...

Increase the Judges from 5 to ... let's say 7. And have the judges score each model, and say who should be eliminated in their opinion, and then I post the Bottom 3 who are up for elimination, and the fans vote which of the 3 should be eliminated.

This idea reverses the roll of the voters and Judges, and makes it easier for the bottom 3 to have friends come vote for them though. :\

Ugh its a lose lose either way!!!! *bawls* I'm so sorry everyone.

Edit: Do you guys want me to tell the voters to stop telling us why they didn't vote for people? I can edit the first post if so.

[Kouren]

I personally like knowing what could have been done better, and knowing why someone avoided a particular shot can help shed light on that. It's difficult to manage in that there's no way to ensure everyone will give good feedback, but I'm not sure eliminating it entirely is actually an improvement.

[EorzeasNTM]

So the "please leave constructive criticism!" edit was enough you think? I hope so. ; ;

Are you working on your make over shot? XD Your icon looks like a Kin I don't know xD

Anyone playing FFXI this week for free? I am on fenrir if sooooo. Email me for character info

[Vydos]

Don't overthink this Rongi. This is one of those things in life, where you can't make everyone happy. Just go with what we have now. It's working on its own way. And again, this is a fun event.
I will however suggest an idea that someone actually told me about on skype. So all credits go to her for it. But I do like it.


Basically get rid of the round elimination each round. (prelim rounds are still welcomed for obvious reasons).
And just make it a tournament of points. With an end ranking when it's all done.

To explain in more detail:
1) All participants send their screenshots for all rounds. But can still send new submissions right before the round starts(like we have now)
2) Like now, we go with rounds + voting method but remove the part where the one with the lowest votes get eliminated. And go with one of the following methods
- The final tally at the end of each round gets added up. And the one with the most votes at the end of it all wins. (Not really a fan of this idea but tossing it in there)
- The final tally at the end, gives points according to the rank/position. (example: 1st = 15pt, 2nd = 13pt, 3rd = 11 pt, 4th= 10pt, 5th = 9 pt, and so on.) And these points are being added at each round.

Basically a system that allows everyone to still show all their screenshots. And add some fierce competition. Basically the winner will be the one who got the most votes over the entire competition. And a final ranking of 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, ..., place will make people still try to shoot for as high as possible rank. Even if you can't win anymore, people might want to shoot for as high as possible rank.

(But again, I realise that it means having to manage the screenshots of everyone during the entire cycle.)

[Kouren]

Haha. I'm working on the one after it. ;x Spoilers!

[EorzeasNTM]

(But again, I realise that it means having to manage the screenshots of everyone during the entire cycle.)

Don't worry about that! ^^ I have 16 models 14 pictures at the moment, and just have to manage the resubmissions (what I am working on now actually.)

I'd love to hear what the models have to say on this. Opinions first, and then a mock vote. Yay or Nay on this system. Judges would be out of a job, so I assume their votes are nay. My vote is also nay because, while it is a very positive system (no one goes home!!<3333333) I feel like it murders the America's Next Top Model inspiration behind it. xD That's really my only reason. xD

if the remaining models want this way we can do it that way

Haha. I'm working on the one after it. ;x Spoilers!

Were you the one that sent in the "alternative" shot? Some one did but I can't remember who now. Haha.
Edit: It was you! You were the only one to send in a shot like that! Is your resubmission following the same line of thought?

Bah! When does the daily limit reset? I reached my limit -_-

If you sent a resubmission in recently and never got a reply that I got it, please resend it! Otherwise, you should have a "saved it and replaced it!" reply from me. Just switched out all the re submissions I have received regardless of round, so a few of you should have received those emails.

[Kouren]

Were you the one that sent in the "alternative" shot? Some one did but I can't remember who now. Haha.
Edit: It was you! You were the only one to send in a shot like that! Is your resubmission following the same line of thought?

I assume you mean 6, and are referring to content with 'alternative'? The r5 resubmission will be almost identical, but the r6 pic will be quite different. I was honestly in a rush to do placeholders, and didn't do any prep for that one at all.

[Kaelah]

I assume you mean 6, and are referring to content with 'alternative'? The r5 resubmission will be almost identical, but the r6 pic will be quite different. I was honestly in a rush to do placeholders, and didn't do any prep for that one at all.

Excited to see this now lol. :3

Heres an idea...
Edit: Do you guys want me to tell the voters to stop telling us why they didn't vote for people? I can edit the first post if so.

Personally, no. I like knowing what people don't like about my shots. It gives me an idea of what I should do differently in future. ^-^

Tally time.

[Kyri]

Don't overthink this Rongi. This is one of those things in life, where you can't make everyone happy. Just go with what we have now. It's working on its own way. And again, this is a fun event.
I will however suggest an idea that someone actually told me about on skype. So all credits go to her for it. But I do like it.


Basically get rid of the round elimination each round. (prelim rounds are still welcomed for obvious reasons).
And just make it a tournament of points. With an end ranking when it's all done.

To explain in more detail:
1) All participants send their screenshots for all rounds. But can still send new submissions right before the round starts(like we have now)
2) Like now, we go with rounds + voting method but remove the part where the one with the lowest votes get eliminated. And go with one of the following methods
- The final tally at the end of each round gets added up. And the one with the most votes at the end of it all wins. (Not really a fan of this idea but tossing it in there)
- The final tally at the end, gives points according to the rank/position. (example: 1st = 15pt, 2nd = 13pt, 3rd = 11 pt, 4th= 10pt, 5th = 9 pt, and so on.) And these points are being added at each round.

Basically a system that allows everyone to still show all their screenshots. And add some fierce competition. Basically the winner will be the one who got the most votes over the entire competition. And a final ranking of 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, ..., place will make people still try to shoot for as high as possible rank. Even if you can't win anymore, people might want to shoot for as high as possible rank.
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This, 100%
By getting rid of a elimination system you stop a lot of the hurt people being eliminated face as well as even the rounds out better. For example a sexy librarian is tricky for a LaLafell they had to work a lot harder on this and still risk a chance at loosing points where as a snow shot is perfect for them. By doing so everyone continues enjoying themselves without the stress of being eliminated. By doing this you allow a model the chance to do poorly on a bad round, however still come ahead on points by the next round (Vahn for example). No stress no hurt feelings and at the end it's still only one winner. It's like giving everyone a second or third chance like Kaelah got (and look how well that second chance turned out!) You already requested all pictures from all models so if done so you don't even have to worry about situations like Ayreon's where she can't log on anymore.

But yea. It would eliminate a huge amount of stress(for some), still keep people trying to one up each other and still leaves room for judges votes per round while letting all models enjoy the contest fully, and aim for those winning points and make shots more fair to those who might have a handicap in one round but not in another. Im not trying to tell you how to run your fabulous contest, but if I was running it, I would do this system to ensure everyone has fun(because I don't think a lot of the people eliminated from this cycle or the last enjoy it nearly as much as they could continue to enjoy.. Rather then having any bitter feelings about putting themselves out there to be told they weren't good enough by a lack of voting and criticism)

This x100. Aila sent me 5 pictures for her beach shot and I chose the best one and she got sent home. I am NEVER choosing a model's picture again. xD

I want this to be fun for everyone, so hearing so many frustrations is really awful as the host of the show. ; ; I've been depressed all day since Valintina quit over the affects the contest was having on her.
So we all feel like crap together! :

The main "possible issue" I see with my voting system is, and we talked about this last round, when a model who has been in the top consistently falls to the bottom and gets eliminated. It's unfair to the other models for judges to say "I gave them a 3 because all their previous shots were amazing even though this one is weak and I don't want them to go home." so we can't do that. It's unfair to the other models and voters and judges for me to say "I disagree with this elimination and therefor I am overriding it." So in this case, Ciara has been pretty strong, but maybe this picture might send her home. It sucks for her, and her fans, but the only thing I can say is Eorzea's Next Top Model, the person not the contest, has to have a strong photo every round or risk elimination. It's okay to have the second weakest photo, but if you have the weakest, in the eyes of the voters and judges, there is nothing your past pictures can do to save you. This is either a good thing or a bad thing depending on how you look at it.

The secondary issue is all the models having anxiety attacks and low self esteem emerging from participating. . .actually this issue is more important because it's killing the good vibes. ; ;

All of this is sad. so sad ; ; I bet it felt awful knowing your personal opinion on a shot got someone eliminated... If I end up the eliminatee this round I know a few friends who will feel the same as you.

I don't want to see Val quit, and though im holding my head up high, I try to keep out of forums(at least till right now) that it does hurt a little bit(actually, it really bites ; , how quickly a happy feel for doing good can change to sad about that one round you didn't stick to your gut. I just love taking pictures and sharing them with people knowing people are seeing them? It's the best feeling in the world! I agree I like a little criticism and to know what people think, those are my favorite votes... But.. Do you think Val would want to quit right now if it was just one or two comments vs one or two comments plus the realization she (like me so I understand the plight) is sitting on the end of the chopping block? Tinsley seems a bit bummed, as did Vahn last round, as did someone or someones from all rounds pre and forward. Imo, it doesn't feel good to know your shot was bad, have votes tell you your shot was bad, and a critique on top of thinking you will be eliminated.

This is why im in favor of keeping everyone in the competition till the end and tallying up the points for a final winner. Doing this pretty much almost guarantees people have fun right to the end. If you -did- like the idea were only two rounds finished and it wouldn't be hard to re add the 2 eliminated who even though missing some points have the chance to earn them back in a round more suited for them, or extra points from judges.. however you wanted to handle it. (Not only that but by posting eliminated 's picture for the round on here instead of the main forum(though I understand) takes away the likely reason the person was enjoying it so they could show off pictures they worked hard on.)

Just my two cents. <3Ciara<3

I'd love to hear what the models have to say on this. Opinions first, and then a mock vote. Yay or Nay on this system. Judges would be out of a job, so I assume their votes are nay. My vote is also nay because, while it is a very positive system (no one goes home!!<3333333) I feel like it murders the America's Next Top Model inspiration behind it. xD That's really my only reason. xD

if the remaining models want this way we can do it that way

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I guess it's pretty apparent I vote Yes! yes yes yes! As for murdering the inspiration behind it.. not really, you've just taken a idea, and made it into a more friendlier, FFXIVesque contest, and you already mentioned about wishing you could take "model" out of the name. (Plus lets face it, we don't get paid the big bucks those models do(And even they get upset) to deal with such critique as the show does!^^ Not sure why judges would have to loose their jobs though..