Requirement for Coil Not needed for Expansion But...

[Amberion]

Your problem is that you have only done it thrice and expect to know the fight.

Since fights at the moment are failed or completed only by knowing the entire dance. And for that you need to repeat it... and repeat it over a certain time period to make it stick in the brain. The brain will just dump the info as unimportant if it doesn't keep happening over a time.

[coldreactive]

Your problem is that you have only done it thrice and expect to know the fight.

Since fights at the moment are failed or completed only by knowing the entire dance. And for that you need to repeat it... and repeat it over a certain time period to make it stick in the brain. The brain will just dump the info as unimportant if it doesn't keep happening over a time.

Then why is the community so stagnate about having newbies try to run it and failing multiple times a run to only having 30 minutes left? You can only learn by doing really, and most people don't care to help people "Do" it. I almost feel like transferring to Mateus because of how annoying the people in Ragnarok can get.

[Amberion]

Then why is the community so stagnate about having newbies try to run it and failing multiple times a run to only having 30 minutes left? You can only learn by doing really, and most people don't care to help people "Do" it.

Have you tried making a PF learning party? Or if you have gotten far enough, a going for the clear party?

[coldreactive]

Have you tried making a PF learning party? Or if you have gotten far enough, a going for the clear party?

I tried making a PF Party, but that's the one that failed twice in one run. I didn't have time to do anymore that day, so I had to leave.

[Edli]

Already tried turn 5 three times, one of which was with a static of someone else's, which failed completely (Twice)

Only 3 tries, and you wonder why you haven't beaten it yet. That's ridiculous.

Why do you want to beat t5 anyway. There is no flowers and sunshine after it. After t5 is t6 and true there are flowers but not the kind you would enjoy.

[coldreactive]

Only 3 tries, and you wonder why you haven't beaten it yet. That's ridiculous.

Why do you want to beat t5 anyway. There is no flowers and sunshine after it. After t5 is t6 and true there are flowers but not the kind you would enjoy.

Lore / cutscenes is what I'm after. I did turn 3 and whatnot normally because of that.

[Amberion]

I tried making a PF Party, but that's the one that failed twice in one run. I didn't have time to do anymore that day, so I had to leave.

Unfortunately, the game style of MMORPGs have changed over the years. Before you used to be in close nit LS/guild that would help with such things. But as a lot of people have said on the forum, they are mostly only used for chat room now.

The longer a content is considered old, the harder it will be finding random people who wants to team up. That is one of the reasons I dislike newer MMORPGs getting rid of forced community building.

[Edli]

Lore / cutscenes is what I'm after.

Spoilers, they're not that good. Coil is all about the fights, if cutscenes is the only reason you're doing this then don't bother. Not worth your time.

[coldreactive]

Spoilers, they're not that good. Coil is all about the fights, if cutscenes is the only reason you're doing this then don't bother. Not worth your time.

See opening post.

Unfortunately, the game style of MMORPGs have changed over the years. Before you used to be in close nit LS/guild that would help with such things. But as a lot of people have said on the forum, they are mostly only used for chat room now.

The longer a content is considered old, the harder it will be finding random people who wants to team up. That is one of the reasons I dislike newer MMORPGs getting rid of forced community building.

Same, especially in open world pvp MMORPGs like WildStar, World of Warcraft, RIFT. I will be transferring to the Mateus World in the meantime, and see if I can't complete it with DF only.

[Pyretta_Blaze]

It's a raid, raids are optional content and supposed to take hours and hours of learning both the fight itself and how to work well with your group. This is of course after spending the time and energy to network and meet people and build your team and gear yourselves up appropriately. You can shortcut some of this by reading guides and watching videos but you will still need to put the time in to actually learn the fight.

Now that we can overgear it and also have echo buff many people are finding it possible with a pick up group but you have to luck out and get decent players with some amount of patience.

You can get carried through turn 5 pretty easily if you find an overgeared group willing to take you. My group sometimes spends a night just being those 7 other competent players that helps the 8th finally get their win.

I do blame the game design itself for some of the issues players have with turn 5. The game starts out very easy and slowly gets somewhat harder. But still every instanced dungeon is fairly easily cleared in well under the time limit with little to no deaths. Turn 5 (and Titan EX) tend to stop people dead in their tracks as the mechanics are fairly unforgiving. However they are not impossible.

In the end I don't foresee anything in the expansion being locked out because of failure to clear any part of coil. There will most likely be new raids that will be required for the following raids.