What's with the Early Pull Brigade?

[ispano]

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Except they're right. This is not what SE intended, and you can see that in recent interviews and changes to the system. You can see it in the descriptions they've given. Does that mean you HAVE to play it that way? No.

If a group of 4 wants to pull an A rank without shouting for everyone and their brother to come, they've done absolutely NOTHING wrong. If a bit larger group spawns and finds an S rank and decides to take it down right then, again, they've done NOTHING wrong.

Some people might feel that being cooperative and helping more people get top end gear faster is a good thing. It's not, well if you ask them they will say it is, because they want it. But it's not. There are reasons we have lockouts on content that gives top end gear. There are reasons we have caps.

You can claim majority all you want, but until you bring back proof, it's just words. It could very well be the majority wants nothing to do with your zergs. Even at a few hundred people on a server, that's nowhere near a majority.

Lastly, what right do you have to call people playing the way THEY want unreasonable, when you want them to play the way YOU want. Yes, that's what you're doing. You're trying to say they're wrong and should play the way you feel is right, not the way they feel is right.

[Dhex]

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You say all these things - and yet I've never seen you do any of it. Are you just playing devil's advocate here or do you really believe all this stuff you constantly circle back to?

[Clavaat]

You say all these things - and yet I've never seen you do any of it. Are you just playing devil's advocate here or do you really believe all this stuff you constantly circle back to?

From my perspective:

I was adamantly against hunting as a large group. I argued for a long time here until I realized that it was just more aggravating than fun. As I've said before, on Balmung, there is an LS that creates PFs, has a forum, and is overall well-planned out. However, if you don't join them, or conform to their way of playing, they will outright shame, degrade, and post about you on a specific section of their website. If you don't join them, you essentially have no chance of getting full credit or claim.

So I caved. I want to progress with my team, and one of the best ways to do that was to up my gear using Hunt rewards. And it wasn't worth the arguments about what was right and wrong. On most days, I can ignore the bs that this particular LS churns out, but some days they become so vitriolic and downright idiotic, that it bothers this shit out of me more than any "early puller". Because, at the end of the day, you will get 90% of the Hunts if you are a part of this anyway. There is NO reason to be mad about it, and attack people who "pull early". It really doesn't matter.

In other words, I'm a bit of a hypocrite. I hate the way Hunts are handled, and I hate large LS' explicitly made for hunting, but I accept that if I want to actually get anything done, it's what I have to do and be a part of. It sucks, and I hope it changes. But in this thread, here, my main argument has and always will be to never ever shame another player for something as silly as this. I don't give a shit what "code" you follow anymore, from either side, but don't call out individuals.

As I've said previously in this thread, to me, the most viable solution would be to add WAY more Hunt mobs, possibly lower the reward per kill. This would make the idea of "early pulling" damn near non-existent. We shouldn't be able to track them with timers this well, or be able to be this organized about it. By this I mean, let us actually be able to do it on a Party/Solo level as opposed to a LS/Server level. This would actually make the system a lot more fun in my eyes.

[Bladeglory]

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I don't know which is stranger. Intention mattering in game design (Turn 2 Rot method anyone?) or cooperation being bad because other content has caps.

I wouldn't say unreasonable so much as... a waste of potential. Like not carpooling with your coworkers or insisting on buying from a more expensive vending machine. It just doesn't make sense to me. (I'd like to add that I'm very apprehensive about social interaction and downright terrified of PuGs... yet now that I've tried it, it's great)