[Pole] Do you want to see the summoner class reworked?

[Xaeth]

I dont think people realise the size issue with Summons. They just want what they want despite it being bad for the game, or bad for the class. Sure Summoners in XI were cool looking, and they were ultimately usless in any real endgame content. Is that what we want here? A cool looking class nobody wants along?

I for one like the Summoner just how it is, and i think most people do too. These people that keep bitching for changes (and its the same people over and over) are a very vocal minority.

I hope you realize that this is a forum where people are allowed to post feedback and opinions on the game.
SE doesn't need you to do their job.
I approve that you come here telling SE that you like the current version of Summoner but I disapprove of you telling other people that they can't express their opinions on the game.
Please consider this so this forum can become a nicer place for all of us.

[Dwill]

Wait... so you mean that people can't post their opinions on a class/job unless they've lvled it all the way to lvl 50?
That's the worst piece of crap I've ever heard.

Having lvled arcanist to lvl 50 twice, once on my first character when 2.0 was released and recently on a character on another server, I can promise that there's no bloody difference in playstyle between summoner lvl 40 and lvl 50, which makes your argument invalid. If you can't come up with anything better then please go bother someone else... -.-

What kind of drivel is this ? You get Rouse at 42, Spur at 45, Miasma II at 46, Enkindle and Shadow Flare at 50. How doesn't that make a difference in playstyle ?

You can't really be calling other people's arguments with statements that are this ridiculous.

[Empressia]

Pole? Woot Pole? Is this a Polling thread or i'm missing strip pole?

[Zoeila]

I dont think people realise the size issue with Summons. They just want what they want despite it being bad for the game, or bad for the class. Sure Summoners in XI were cool looking, and they were ultimately usless in any real endgame content. Is that what we want here? A cool looking class nobody wants along?

I for one like the Summoner just how it is, and i think most people do too. These people that keep bitching for changes (and its the same people over and over) are a very vocal minority.

i saw summoners at endgame all the time especially for stuff like kirin they would use diablos. what i would propose is reworking the current smn but instead of completely scraping the current smn roll it into sch as a stance that uses powered up carbuncles instead of egi's.

[Bigbosshenry]

yes definetly, i can't imagine how could the devs just simply screwed such an iconic class/job for the FF franchise.

So again, yes please.

[Dwill]

yes definetly, i can't imagine how could the devs just simply screwed such an iconic class/job for the FF franchise.

So again, yes please.

Do tell, how did they screw it up ?

[Xaeth]

What kind of drivel is this ? You get Rouse at 42, Spur at 45, Miasma II at 46, Enkindle and Shadow Flare at 50. How doesn't that make a difference in playstyle ?

You can't really be calling other people's arguments with statements that are this ridiculous.

You pretty much take and replace ruin with Rouse, Spur, Enkindle and Shadowflare when fitting. Is that what you call a different playstyle?
Two of these abilities does pretty much the same thing which is a damage boost to your pet and one is a nuke that you can use once every five minutes.
Sure Miasma II, Shadowflare and Enkindle is a nice improvement to Summoners AOE capabilities but they hardly change the playstyle.

And if you want to invalidate my argument you might wanna add how these abilities make such a huge difference in playstyle. Just naming abilities isn't an argument in itself you know.

[Exstal]

So we can get a count now?

For: 1,135
Against: 21, 872

[Xaeth]

So we can get a count now?

For: 1,135
Against: 21, 872

You might want to add your source so people can doublecheck those numbers. I hope you don't expect people to just believe everything you say.

[Exstal]

You might want to add your source so people can doublecheck those numbers. I hope you don't expect people to just believe everything you say.

It's good to be skeptical. It's why I never believe a vast majority of Summoners want the class reworked. I'm not sure if you joined the game recently, or just the forums, but this SMN outcry is definitely far less the Warrior outcry. A class that was clearly and definitely weak as opposed to a class that is strong. Feelings aren't a good enough reason to rework what is established into something that it's not. Although, from stories I've heard, World of Warcraft did such a thing (except it made the class worse).