Labor prices

[Grimmel]

Might want to re-read your signature. Also, I am "misreading" a document that I copy and pasted onto your screen that you can read for yourself? lmao! I even included the source so you can read the original, Mr.Dunning-Kruger

And your being obnoxious and impervious to all of us pointing out that Section 2 of the ToS talks only about Real Life Money trading for in game services. Get off your "I know the ToS and you don't" Soap box because you clearly don't.

[DoubleT]

Legally it has to specifically state that then.

Legally they did say exactly that lol. What do you think, "advertising any product or service in-game, or use by the operator of a cyber café" means? They are correct you did misread it, and are still continuing to do so. And even if they were talking about that, "in-game chat and message services" does not include the party finder, as you cant use it to chat or send messages, you use it to recruit or join parties.

[Alukah]

You guys are going way off-topic here.

For both sides: you are right, the other guy is wrong, move on.

[Darki]

Pro Tip: When a Terms of Service says "Commercial Advertising" It means advertising for real money.



And yet your knowledge of the ToS is minuscule at best. Commercial is a term used in Terms of Service Agreements to dictate the real world uses. Like Commercial Car Dealerships.

A simple definition of Commercial is:
(of goods, chemicals, etc) of unrefined quality or presentation and produced in bulk for use in industry.

Also.. you failed to read the entire list in Section 2 which details other commercial real life uses that are illegal to use the game for.

2. LICENSE LIMITATIONS
The Game is a carefully controlled environment designed to provide the maximum level of enjoyment for all players. In order to preserve an enjoyable experience for all users, and to protect the intellectual property rights of Square Enix, the activities identified in this Section 2 ("License Limitations") are strictly prohibited and violate the conditions or limitations on your license to use the Game. Therefore, any use of the Game in violation of such restrictions exceeds the scope of the License granted to you and constitutes infringement of your license, and is grounds for immediate revocation of your license. Use of the Game in excess of these provisions, or use at all after your license is revoked (including loading the Game into your computer's RAM), infringes Square Enix's copyrights to the Game.
Violating these License Limitations may result in the suspension or permanent banning of your account, or such other lesser measures described in Section 3 which Square Enix may take in its sole discretion, or an action for copyright infringement or other legal claims, all of which are reserved. You agree that offering or providing banned services to other players of the Game constitutes improper interference with Square Enix's contracts with such players, and Square Enix reserves the right to take formal legal action against you if you do so, without warning.
Square Enix may update the list of License Limitations at http://sqex.to/ffxiv.na.support at any time. The current License Limitations are as follows:
2.1 Cheating and Botting. You may not create or use any unauthorized cheats, bots, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software or hardware designed to modify the Game and gameplay. In addition, you may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay.
2.2 Real Money Trading, Farming and Power-Leveling. You may not sell, purchase or exchange for real-world money or value any in-game currency, accounts, characters, in-game services, or in-game virtual items. You may not play the Game for the purpose of acquiring virtual items or advancement in game play on behalf of a third-party or for the purpose of selling any virtual assets to a third party for real-world money, specifically including "gold-farming" and power-leveling services.
2.3 Commercial Use. You may not exploit the Game for any commercial purpose (for example, advertising any product or service in-game, or use by the operator of a cyber café) without Square Enix's prior written consent.
2.4 Private Servers. You may not create, operate, participate in or use any unauthorized servers intended to emulate the Game.
2.5 Data Mining. You may not intercept, mine or otherwise collect information from the Game using unauthorized third party software.
2.6 Hacking and Circumvention. You may not hack, disassemble, decompile, or otherwise modify the Game or server computer code, whether the Game code is located on a DVD, Blu-rayTM disc, your computer/console or on Square Enix's servers, except as expressly permitted by Square Enix or applicable law.
2.7 Modifying or Creating Derivative Software. You may not modify or cause to be modified any files that are a part of the Game or Service in any way not expressly authorized by Square Enix, and may not make any derivative works of the Game.
2.8 Commercial Spamming/Spimming. You may not use (or abuse) the in-game chat and message services to distribute advertisements.

Actually I didn't overlook them. I'll even leave them in the quote just for you The parts talking about the real world (Rule 2.2) specifically refer to the real world. Rules 2.3 and 2.8 however are broad terms. Legally they can refer to both in game and real world.

[SinisterIsBack]

People will still go to the marketboard, and you will make even less gil.

[Darki]

"in-game chat and message services" does not include the party finder, as you cant use it to chat or send messages, you use it to recruit or join parties.

If I missed that part in the ToS then I apologize. I'll try looking for it myself. Can you help me find it? What section is it in?

[Darki]

Darki is beyond reasoning and our attempts to help them see clearly are falling on blind eyes and deaf ears. Just report them for falsely stating the ToS in a way that is not intended, jumping down the OP's throat because of the ToS they clearly failed to understand, and generally harassing other people trying to help him see that he's not understanding the actual ToS and let's move on.

If that were true then you would of clicked the yellow triangle in the corner of my posts and they would be gone.

I think that you used the report button on my posts and nothing happened so you are resorting to empty threats and defamation. Don't worry I won't click report on your post. I'm not so petty

[Zantitrach]

com·mer·cial
kəˈmərSHəl/Submit
adjective
1. concerned with or engaged in commerce.
"a commercial agreement"
synonyms: trade, trading, business, private enterprise, mercantile, sales
"a vessel built for commercial purposes"

Let's continue this trend down the rabbit hole shall we?

com·merce
ˈkämərs/Submit
noun
1.
the activity of buying and selling, especially on a large scale.
"the possible increase of commerce by a great railroad"
synonyms: trade, trading, buying and selling, business, dealing, traffic; More

buy
bī/Submit
verb
gerund or present participle: buying
1.
obtain in exchange for payment.
"we had to find some money to buy a house"
synonyms: purchase, acquire, obtain, get, pick up; More

pay·ment
ˈpāmənt/Submit
noun
1.
the action or process of paying someone or something, or of being paid.
"ask for a discount for payment by cash"
synonyms: remittance, settlement, discharge, clearance, liquidation
"discounts for early payment"

paid
pād/Submit
1.
past and past participle of pay1.

pay1
pā/Submit
verb
1.
give (someone) money that is due for work done, goods received, or a debt incurred.
"he paid the locals to pick his coffee beans"
synonyms: reward, reimburse, recompense, give payment to, remunerate More

mon·ey
ˈmənē/Submit
noun
a current medium of exchange in the form of coins and banknotes; coins and banknotes collectively.
"I counted the money before putting it in my wallet"
synonyms: cash, hard cash, ready money; More




Sure, there are secondary definitions. But I went with these. So specifically the section of the ToS you quoted do not apply if the medium isn't real world money. "exchange in the form of coins and banknotes; coins and banknotes collectively."

[Grimmel]

If that were true then you would of clicked the yellow triangle in the corner of my posts and they would be gone.

I think that you used the report button on my posts and nothing happened so you are resorting to empty threats and defamation. Don't worry I won't click report on your post. I'm not so petty

When you click the report button it files a report to be reviewed and acted upon by a moderator. And yes.. I did report the posts I found to be harassing and rude. Not only do you not understand the ToS; but you also fail to know how reporting on the forums works.

Also you are falsly using the ToS as a "scare" tactic to stop people from using things in game. That is Harrasment at it's finest.

[Titor]

ha·rass
həˈras,ˈharəs/Submit

verb
1. subject to aggressive pressure or intimidation.
"a warning to men harassing women at work"
synonyms: persecute, intimidate, hound, harry, plague, torment, bully, bedevil; More

2. make repeated small-scale attacks on (an enemy).
"the squadron's task was to harass the retreating enemy forces"
synonyms: harry, attack, beleaguer, set upon, assail
"they were sent to harass the enemy flanks"


This begs the questions: How are you being attacked, pressured or intimidated?

/r/iamverysmart