Chocobo Dye - The Missing Manual

[AttacKat]

Rolanberry Red » Midnight Blue

And I present you Midnight Blue




Here is the feather proc messages, got one for every fruit feed after the first proc message:


So, here is my new theory, and I will need others to test to confirm it.

Following the OP, all fruits behaves in a given pattern, and the game can only pick the 85 colors available. However, the RGB value of each color is limited within the color range defined. Therefore, using the calculator, we can determine the total amount of fruits we need to feed to move close to the desired color.

Previous experiences when people recommends feed amount tends to be in huge quantity of fruits, and assumes the result is the net sum, so order/qty of feed doesn't matter. After trying it out this way myself, I was never able to reach the desired color. After observing this I broken down my feeding into smaller patterns, but still feed all the fruits at one feeding.

For an example, say you wish to reach Rolanberry Red, using the new calculator, it recommends**

Desert Yellow » Rolanberry Red
RGB(223, 183, 87) » RGB(95, 31, 47)
Difference: Red: -128, Green: -152, Blue: -40
Feed the following to change to your desired colour:
18 × Pears, 21 × Apples, 29 × Berries

** (Using my own 8th scale RGB value)

Most of the people will likely just feed their chocobo 18 pears, 21 apples, and 29 berries in that order. However, feeding it this way will force G to 253 by the 14th pear, and B to 2 by the 17th pear, and -3 by the 18th, which is not within the color space. This in effect makes any G adjustment null after then 15th pear, and the 18th pear only adjustments the B by 2, and not 5 indicated by the calculator. Same will hold true for all the 21 apples that follows, since B is already at 0, and same will happen for berries.

Producing a result of

pear	18	133	255	0
apple	21	238	150	0
berry	29	93	5	145

Current	93	5	145
To Target	2	26	-98
Current Guess	Regal Purple

Therefore, we need to breakdown the feeding so all the values adjustment are within the color space for each unit of fruit eaten,

pear	6	193	213	57
apple	5	218	188	32
berry	10	168	138	82
pear	6	138	168	52
apple	5	163	143	27
berry	10	113	93	77
pear	6	83	123	47
apple	5	108	98	22
berry	9	63	53	67
apple	6	93	23	37

Current	93	23	37
To Target	2	8	10
Current Guess	Rolanberry Red

As we can see, both fed the same amount of fruits, but yet, produced very different results. With this knowledge in hand, we need to be careful on how we feed the fruits, especially at those end value ranges where 1 fruit too much may push the value to null and returns incorrect value.

Experiments:
I will be using this section to perform my own experiments, resetting my bird to desert yellow, and then attempt to 1 feed to the desire color. Being Soot Black seems to be the most desired color, or at least the hottest color in discussion, I will use it as my first trial.

9/5: Desert Yellow -> Soot Black

Start	Desert Yellow		223	183	87
Step	Feed	Qty			
1	berry	10	173	133	137
2	pear	5	148	158	112
3	apple	5	173	133	87
4	berry	10	123	83	137
5	pear	10	73	133	87
6	apple	5	98	108	62
7	berry	5	73	83	87
8	pear	3	58	98	72
9	apple	5	83	73	47
10	berry	4	63	53	67
11	pear	4	43	73	47
12	apple	3	58	58	32
13	berry	2	48	48	42
Goal	Soot Black		47	47	39
Fruits: 18 apples, 31 berries, 22 pears.

[Chopski]

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Think I'm going to implement your 8th scale RGB values and increment by +/-8 if that's ok with you? Possibly have both and add the ability to confirm which worked for people.

Do you have the RGB values in a format I can migrate into the DB more easily? I can only find a PDF, which would mean a lot of copy and pasting.

[AttacKat]

implement your 8th scale RGB values and increment by +/-8 ... I can only find a PDF, which would mean a lot of copy and pasting.

It is on google docs. Should be able to do an "open" or save to local drive from there. BTW, keep the increment at +/-5, that is what I have been using off of the old spreadsheet calculator.

Going for wine red, started feeding earlier on my own, and landed at pumpkin orange.
5 berries, 3 pears, 2 apples, 4 berries, 3 apples, 4 pears, 5 berries, 1 apple, 1 berry, 4 pears, 3 berries, 1 apple, 4 pears, 4 berries, 4 apples

The "growing new feathers" message began on the fourth berry, and appeared for every fruit after.

Same happened to me once I got the first feather proc, I got a feather proc for every fruit after.

I think we will do our testing here, and after I get maybe 10 or so confirms, I will start a new thread and describe my process in more detail. It is quite simple once you see the color "walls" to avoid the mistakes I made (as well as others).

I would like to get Soot Black as final colour ... got Regal Purple

Regal Purple » Soot Black
RGB(95, 42, 71) » RGB(37, 35, 30)
Difference: Red: -58, Green: -7, Blue: -41
5 × Apples, 7 × Berries, 10 × Pears

Microfeeding:

Starting Colour			Regal Purple		
Step	Feed	Qty	103	55	87
1	apple	3	118	40	72
2	berry	3	103	25	87
3	pear	3	88	40	72
4	apple	2	98	30	62
5	berry	3	83	15	77
6	pear	7	48	50	42
					
Target Colour RGB			47	47	39
Target Colour			Soot Black

[PuhnTang]

I think we will do our testing here, and after I get maybe 10 or so confirms, I will start a new thread and describe my process in more detail.

I've read nearly every page of the color thread, the spreadsheets, the flowchart. Nothing makes as much sense to me as this! An FC mate has his chocobo at Russet Brown, trying to get to Soot Black. He needs to use 4 Pears and 4 Berries? Should he separate them more than 4 and 4? If one procs, feed the other type?

I have a chocobo who keeps bouncing back to Celeste Green trying to find Lotus Pink. The calculator says 8 Plums, 13 Pineapples, 17 Valfruit which seems like a lot to get to what's just a hop skip and a jump away on the chart. Is that really correct? Everything I've found said that Pineapples just kept turning the bird blue (when trying to go to white or Lotus and I ended up at a Sky) and I don't know why it wants 17 of them. What's the right amount? How would I break it down to feed it to him?